well it was from a breeder with a private facility. he's about 30 minutes from where I'm at and told me I could stop by and check them out. I have no incredible feeling to look at them. As far as them existing the guy has them and they aren't just normals. I've seen the animals he had at the show and all were pretty. Maybe I'll have him shoot me an email of the pics of the females for $450 and then you can decide...you never know...I wouldn't say they are the best looking but they MAY not be the ugliest but who knows...I know someone selling ugly females for $600...I dunno. I'll have to get pics.