albino x pastel?

Ok, lol, I still do not get it. An albino is only an albino if it has both the albino recessive genes present, correct? And a pastel is only a pastel if it has one pastel gene present (if it has both it will be super?, but that is beside the point), correct? So, let's call the Albino Gene "A" and the Pastel Gene "P" and the Normal Gene "N". So for the first BP, which you are saying is a Pastel which is het for Albino, its genes would be (PA). For the second BP, which is normal and het albino, it would be (NA).

Out of the four offspring then, you would get a PN (Pastel), a PA (Pastel het Albino, like one of it's parents), and 2 (AN), which are normal het albinos. So I still do not understand how you can have a pastel albino, because in order for albino to be visible, the BP must be homozygous towards it, but if you are saying the BP is pastel is well, it must have a pastel gene, which contradicts how it can be albino. Care to explain lol?

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Ok, lol, I still do not get it. An albino is only an albino if it has both the albino recessive genes present, correct? And a pastel is only a pastel if it has one pastel gene present (if it has both it will be super?, but that is beside the point), correct? So, let's call the Albino Gene "A" and the Pastel Gene "P" and the Normal Gene "N". So for the first BP, which you are saying is a Pastel which is het for Albino, its genes would be (PA). For the second BP, which is normal and het albino, it would be (NA).

Out of the four offspring then, you would get a PN (Pastel), a PA (Pastel het Albino, like one of it's parents), and 2 (AN), which are normal het albinos. So I still do not understand how you can have a pastel albino, because in order for albino to be visible, the BP must be homozygous towards it, but if you are saying the BP is pastel is well, it must have a pastel gene, which contradicts how it can be albino. Care to explain lol?

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I think you are misunderstanding him lol.

If you breed a pastel het albino to another het albino, you will THEN get the pastel albino. Pastel to albino makes ONLY pastel het albinos, and het albino (normal looking)

Sorry, this is q quick mistake in my above post. You will not get 2 normal het albinos from the parents, you will get one visible albino (AA) and one normal het albino (AN).

I understand what you are saying, but in an earlier post, he linked to a site which showed a pastel albino, which is impossible. The closest you can come to a pastel albino is a pastel which is HET for albino. I don't understand how you can have a pastel albino if the pastel mutation is co-dom, and the albino gene is recessive. You can only have one or the other, not both visible...

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Originally Posted by mocolo

Ok, lol, I still do not get it. An albino is only an albino if it has both the albino recessive genes present, correct? And a pastel is only a pastel if it has one pastel gene present (if it has both it will be super?, but that is beside the point), correct? So, let's call the Albino Gene "A" and the Pastel Gene "P" and the Normal Gene "N". So for the first BP, which you are saying is a Pastel which is het for Albino, its genes would be (PA). For the second BP, which is normal and het albino, it would be (NA).

Out of the four offspring then, you would get a PN (Pastel), a PA (Pastel het Albino, like one of it's parents), and 2 (AN), which are normal het albinos. So I still do not understand how you can have a pastel albino, because in order for albino to be visible, the BP must be homozygous towards it, but if you are saying the BP is pastel is well, it must have a pastel gene, which contradicts how it can be albino. Care to explain lol?

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I think your confusion comes from a misunderstanding of how genes are strung together. Not that I'm particularly educated in this matter, but I think I can explain it....

Imagine a long string with 100 pairs of beads attached to its length...for a total of 200 beads. Each pair of beads would represent one pair of genes. Each pair of genes controls one aspect of how the snake looks. So....the albino beads might be the third pair down....while the pastel beads might be at the 54th position. While they both control some aspect of the snake's color appearance...they are still completely different genes. So a snake can have a pair of albino genes at one position on the "string"....and on the "54th position," he may have a pastel and normal bead pair.

I hope that helps some....not sure if I'm being clear or not!

So, you're saying a DNA strand..? can be het albino AND pastel?

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I understand what you are saying, but in an earlier post, he linked to a site which showed a pastel albino, which is impossible.

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Try telling Ralphie that :D :D :D :D :D :D :8:

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So, you're saying a DNA strand..? can be het albino AND pastel?

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Yes...why could it not be? Now, I may be mixing up my terms or understanding, but the basic picture of different gene pairs controlling different aspects of the snake's appearance is sound.

If this could not be...then we would not have snows (axanthic and albino) or bumblebees (spiders and pastels) or albino pieds...or any of the other amazing "designer" morphs out there.

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So, you're saying a DNA strand..? can be het albino AND pastel?

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I guess you havent seen the pastel pieds yet either? LOL!!

Ahh I think I get it now. Thanks for clearing this up. So if

P = pastel gene
N = normal gene
A = Albino gene

then you are saying in order to have an albino pastel, it would need to be
(Pa x a)?

So the pastel gene would ALSO be recessive for albino, which would make the albino pastel DOUBLE het for albino?

N/M i dont know what I'm doing :P