Reptile Pricing, selling, and the market

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Originally Posted by jim020cricket

Matt, you should buy one.

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HELL WHY BUY JUST ONE. I SOULD BUY ALL OF THEM. HAHAHA. MABY NEXT YEAR I WILL PUT MY FEALERS INTO THE SHARP WORLD.

If you can...do it! It's the investment, always about the investment...it's always a gamble.

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Originally Posted by jim020cricket

I hope so. All the "Jimmys" (boy I hate that nickname) of the Boa World have ruined the Kahl strain Albino market. Everybody thinks that if they sell them for cheaper than the next guy, they make the money. The problem is that; if they held out a little longer, they would still make the money (and probably more) over a longer period of time. But, nooooo...they gotta sell to sell, not to make money AND keep the market stable. They just want quick cash, I'd like to slap everyone of them silly. :fork: Whenever I see a albino go for less than 900 I cringe. Whenever I see a hypo go for less than 500 I spit. These people ruined the market for everyone over their own greed and it makes me sick to my stomach. If Sharp is the new line to have, I'm all over it...i just hope others don't ruin it too.

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PK Albinos had a heck of a run if you ask me, they could not have stayed at $1000+ for ever. Just too many breeders pumping them out each year and each year more and more are coming to market.

Everything sooner or later succumbs to supply & demand, the supply of PK Albinos this year alone drove prices down from $1000 to $750, this was natural. Then the Jimmy's took it as low as $500, unnatural! You have single breeders out there dumping 20-100+ PK Albinos each year on the market. If you ask me, with that level of supply being dumped on the market each year and the number of breeders growing every year. The demand for Albino Boas has been incredible to last all these years and still be one of the hottest selling boas on the market.

What do you expect will happen if the Sharp Albinos take off? Prices will go up slightly for the next 2-3yrs, then those that bought now will start breeding adding to the supply. Those that held back more breeders will increase their volume, also adding more to the supply chain. Competition and supply will drive prices down as it balances with the demand. Then add another generation of breeders after that, prices go down again and it keeps going and going till the next big thing.

Are Sharp Albinos a good investment now, absolutely! But, don't lock yourselves to one morph. As I told Matt, a good quality grade "A" Salmon will always sell and sell well! Motleys, Supers, T+ Albinos, Scoria Boas, MoonGlows and on are all relatively new morphs. Some may stay and become HUGE, others may fizzle out. The key ingredient to any project is quality, get the best quality you can afford! The best Hypo, Salmon, Albino, Pastel and produce better quality!

like you said it is a merical that they stayd over 1000 for as long as they did. sad to say that if sharps take off the same thing will hapen to them.

yup as for me i will stick with my bread and butter morphs and dable in the high end stuff as it comes. look at salmonboa.com they make easily over 1mil a year and they just breed a ton of KK-C salmons. and a small few albs/ bloods/ sabagoda(sp)

Sharps will role good for awhile...true. I just don't see how any albino morph Boa should be priced at 500, no matter what the reasons are. If it happened to them, it can and will happen to any morph. I can see the prices dropping like that on co-dom morphs, but not recessive ones. Salmons are even dropping (unless you are salmonboa.com). That is inevitable with co-dom traits (look at the spider BP). It happens because the turnover rate is so fast. Kahl's had a good run, but what the average Joe doesn't know about those "cheap" albinos is that there is a eye defect problem with them from bad breeders inbreeding too much. That is why I think the Kahl will raise back up once this is broadcasted more. If I can find the link, I'll post it. Cheaper isn't ever better.

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...498#post429498

Albino Boas were "it" for the longest time and still are. There are just a lot more being produced today than there were 8-10 years ago. This is what happens when you sell babies to other breeders, you're in essence supplying your competition for the future.

Guys like Rich have been at this for a long time. Rich will be working on that Salmon project no matter what else falls in his lap. He knows his business and keeps it very close to him! How many 06 Salmons does he have on his site this year? I just checked, 20-25 Salmons and a few DH Sunglows that he recently put up, and we're going into October! Do you really think SalmonBoas only produced 20-25 Salmons this year?!?!

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Originally Posted by ssscales

Albino Boas were "it" for the longest time and still are. There are just a lot more being produced today than there were 8-10 years ago. This is what happens when you sell babies to other breeders, you're in essence supplying your competition for the future.

Guys like Rich have been at this for a long time. Rich will be working on that Salmon project no matter what else falls in his lap. He knows his business and keeps it very close to him! How many 06 Salmons does he have on his site this year? I just checked, 20-25 Salmons and a few DH Sunglows that he recently put up, and we're going into October! Do you really think SalmonBoas only produced 20-25 Salmons this year?!?!

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he proabbly has 20-25 adult females produceing each year. so who knows exactly how many he produces. if you watch his dvd that he put out with the backers you see that he has walls that are lined with hundreds of tubs.

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Originally Posted by jim020cricket

Sharps will role good for awhile...true. I just don't see how any albino morph Boa should be priced at 500, no matter what the reasons are. If it happened to them, it can and will happen to any morph. I can see the prices dropping like that on co-dom morphs, but not recessive ones. Salmons are even dropping (unless you are salmonboa.com). That is inevitable with co-dom traits (look at the spider BP). It happens because the turnover rate is so fast. Kahl's had a good run, but what the average Joe doesn't know about those "cheap" albinos is that there is a eye defect problem with them from bad breeders inbreeding too much. That is why I think the Kahl will raise back up once this is broadcasted more. If I can find the link, I'll post it. Cheaper isn't ever better.

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Sure, you're going to have some garbage in the mix with any morph. I've seen those $500 one eyed Albinos for years, even when Albinos were at $1500 a pop. Lower prices can and will happen to all morphs eventually, it should be expected. We will see $1000 Motleys and $1000 Sunglows and $1000 Snow boas at some point, this I can guarantee you. Whether it takes 3 or 5 or 10yrs, it will happen.

What is going on with some of these BP's does not seem natural! Sure, supply & demand plays a role, but you have morphs dropping from $25,000 to $2500 in 1yr, that's not right. No one can tell me that so many of these morphs were produced this year that prices had to come down from $25,000 to $2,500 in order to sell.

PK Albinos will average $500 for the next 1-3yrs and the one eyed or no eyed Albinos will come down to $100, if they are not culled at birth. KK grade Salmons will/should fetch $750-$1000+ if sold properly and sellers need to have patience. Problem is, most people don't want to market themselves or wait. Most of these guys on KS just want to sell, sell, sell and prefer to have a 24hr sale or weekend sale or 4th of July sale where they going from $2000-$1700-$1500-$1200-$1000 week after week until the snake is sold. Some of them aren't even breeders, just middle men who buy from breeders cheap and flip the snakes for a profit!

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Originally Posted by BALLISTIC BOAS

he proabbly has 20-25 adult females produceing each year. so who knows exactly how many he produces. if you watch his dvd that he put out with the backers you see that he has walls that are lined with hundreds of tubs.

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He's the definitely the man of the salmon world. Hands down. Nice guy too.