A Baby Ball on the way! I can't wait!!!

What i mean by that is that while it is monitored by CITES with setting quottas, there are many other species that CITES focus's more of it's import/export regulations on and controls more closely. Especially if they seem to be breeding and doing so well in rural areas. Much the same i would assume deer have become so abundant in North America.
wildlifewarrior

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:aww: Hi everyone, my name is Rachel and I'm from Texas. Just about everything I've read has said to not buy a captive hatched animal....but what about a captive hatched from a respected breeder? :confused: I will be getting a 4 month old little CH from the Snake Keeper. They seem to be reeeeally nice and extremely knowledgeable. What is anybody else's take on the subject?

Thanks people,

Rach

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I don't think I would be worried about ANYTHING that comes from Snake Keeper. Whether it is captive bred or captive hatched, I would think that it would be in fine health, and well started.

Steve

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What i mean by that is that while it is monitored by CITES with setting quottas, there are many other species that CITES focus's more of it's import/export regulations on and controls more closely. Especially if they seem to be breeding and doing so well in rural areas. Much the same i would assume deer have become so abundant in North America.
wildlifewarrior

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What is the point you are trying to make? Are you talking about other species or ball pythons, the topic of this discussion?

The FACT of the matter here is that wild populations of ball pythons are under no direct threat right now, and exportation of them is an integral part of managing that population. One article I read some time ago about this also mentioned that they are exported to a number of asian countries for their meat packing industries. Silly asians...

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What i mean by that is that while it is monitored by CITES with setting quottas, there are many other species that CITES focus's more of it's import/export regulations on and controls more closely. Especially if they seem to be breeding and doing so well in rural areas. Much the same i would assume deer have become so abundant in North America.
wildlifewarrior

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You should really get a better understanding of how CITES works before making statements like that. Each and every species is monitored the same.

-adam

Do you know what the definition of farming is in terms of these guys is? because the numbers i saw on CITES showed a much greater number of "farmed" or "ranched" bps being exported than wild caught. I was curious if this "farmed" is collecting females letting them lay then releasing them, or if it is having large numbers of adults for a massive breeding project?? Either way they are being exported from those countries, and for one country the number of "farmed" or "ranched" individuals was around 80,000. which i guess where the majority of my confusion her-in lies. Therefore if they are exporting individuals they would still be seen on paper as an export not necessarily wild caught. WHich is why i am not quite clear as to what "Farmed" means
I understand that they aren't an endangered species or even a threatened one they are far from being CITES listed in this way.

wildlifewarrior

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You should really get a better understanding of how CITES works before making statements like that. Each and every species is monitored the same.

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CITES doesn't have the support or the money to focus the same amount of attention on ball pythons as on other species when there are thousands of other species, both herp and non herp than need more protection and a focus than bp's. It is common sense when talking about Concervation which at this point there is a need to focus more energy on those species that are in decline in the wild than those who apparently are abounding in massive numbers due to ruralization. CITES sets a quota and it is hoped that the people in the airport export are not currupt and willing to over look an overstocked load to a country such as Asia for the food industry. Since the US Customs is more stringent on checking shipments. There is no way to monitor each and every species the same. Now if you have any type of document about just how they do monitor bp's in relation to other species i would love to read up on it, more than likely it is only a sensus of the number being exported during the year. The CITES numbers between 2004 and 2005 show a decreas in wild caught exports, which with the quoata being decreased between the two years may signify a decrease in the wild populations.


wildlifewarrior

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CITES doesn't have the support or the money

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They don't? How do you know?

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CITES sets a quota and it is hoped that the people in the airport export are not currupt and willing to over look an overstocked load to a country such as Asia for the food industry.

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Have you ever gone through the process of importing or exporting a CITES regulated species or are you just speculating about how it works?

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Since the US Customs is more stringent on checking shipments.

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US Fish & Wildlife (not customs) is not nearly as stringent as many other countries ... But, regardless, the minimum standards for CITES are always met.

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Now if you have any type of document

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I don't need any type of document ... this is what I do ... I export ball pythons and deal with CITES for a living, I've imported my fair share as well, I've read and stay current on all of the CITES surveys and publications related to p. regius, over the past 10 years I've had numerous conversations with people in West Africa both working on the farms and sitting on the CITES board, and have friends that have gone over to West Africa that have participated in the wild collection of ball pythons, purchased them, and sent them back to their home countries. I know how it works. ;)

-adam

So on those farms is it like a gator farm or is it just the collecting of wild females?? If you have any type of document I am saying i would like to read it just to know and understand, you saying you don't need documents doesn't help me understand where your comming from. I understand that you have been dealing with this for a while which is why i am sure at times it may not seem like i do,i respect what your saying and am learning.:)


wildlifewarrior

Wow, thanks everyone for your advice! In regards to Wildlifewarrior's & Sapphire7's question: Yes, he is indeed a CH. Collette received a few CH's before they were 10 days old. The one I am purchasing isn't from the actual Snake Keeper line. I'm not too worried...She's switched him to frozen thawed for me and he's doing great. Plus, he's a photogenic little bugger. I'll post some pics when I get them!!

Congrats!!!!! :banana:

Neil