Question about clean

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Originally Posted by jotay

But yet in the wild they live in, lets face it, dirty conditions.

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The "dirty conditions" in the wild are just "dirt" ... when you're cleaning an enclosure, you're cleaning out bacteria, ammonia residue from urine, and mold (among other things) ... all of which a ball python can easily crawl away from in the wild ... and if not, they would have plenty of fresh air from the out doors to keep the concentrations that they breath in low.

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Originally Posted by jotay

Now I have heard the arguement about how they in living in the wild build up immunity to many things.

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They do? They don't build up immunities the way that people do, their immune systems are far less complex than ours.

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Originally Posted by jotay

Why then can't they build the same immunity in a confined space.

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You can't be immune to the damage that breathing in ammonia causes to the lungs ... or that mold spores will do if inhaled.

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Originally Posted by jotay

I guess I am comparing them to lets say children. Back in the day we eat dirt, played in mud and sneezed on each other yet children didn't have near the allergies or problems they have now in catching colds etc so darn easy.

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That's like comparing apples to asteroids. Simple organism = simple immune system .... advanced organism = advanced immune system. The other problem is that in people, to build an "immunity" to something, you get sick from it to some degree ... since reptiles don't recover from illness as quickly or easily as people, it's paramount that a keeper do EVERYTHING THAT THEY CAN to keep their reptiles from getting sick in the first place.

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Originally Posted by jotay

I guess I am asking if your around not to clean situations you do build up antibodies so why would our herps not do the same as they do in the wild.

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People that live in mold infested homes get very sick .. sometimes die ... bacteria kill people all the time ... people die from the pneumonia and all types of infections every day ... you're really over simplifying how illness, immune systems, and resistances work.

-adam

Bottom Line Clean means clean. LOL

Hey thanks guys for all the good input :)

Now if a newbie reads this they will see just how important it is to keep things CLEAN.

I had actually had that conversation w/ someone at a pet store who was buying a boa. They where taking the view I presented and I was trying to explain the same things you guys where going over. I wanted to pick your brains for my own data bank in case I forgot anything or maybe something I hadn't thought of.
I personally clean like a freak because I am a clean freak period in everything I do or own so my bp would be no exception, I sometimes wondered if I did more harm than good. But like my mom use to say " you can never be to clean or clean to much".

Thanks again and Adam you'll find sometimes I am the Queen of over simplifying things :) Ahhh....can't life just be simple :)

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Originally Posted by jotay

Now if a newbie reads this they will see just how important it is to keep things CLEAN.

I had actually had that conversation w/ someone at a pet store who was buying a boa. They where taking the view I presented and I was trying to explain the same things you guys where going over. I wanted to pick your brains for my own data bank in case I forgot anything or maybe something I hadn't thought of.
I personally clean like a freak because I am a clean freak period in everything I do or own so my bp would be no exception, I sometimes wondered if I did more harm than good. But like my mom use to say " you can never be to clean or clean to much".

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Yea petstores should give lessons for first time herp owners. Have weekly class like they do for dog training.

Class one : you and your herp do's and don'ts.
Class two: what your herp NEEDS. Tank setup
Class three: what to do when things go wrong.
Class four: long term comitment, No the zoo won't take your burm in 5 years after it eats the neighbors dog cause you couldn't find a goat to feed it.

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

Yea petstores should give lessons for first time herp owners. Have weekly class like they do for dog training.

Class one : you and your herp do's and don'ts.
Class two: what your herp NEEDS. Tank setup
Class three: what to do when things go wrong.
Class four: long term comitment, No the zoo won't take your burm in 5 years after it eats the neighbors dog cause you couldn't find a goat to feed it.

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HA! Petstores need to TAKE lessons! :zerb:

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Originally Posted by JLC

HA! Petstores need to TAKE lessons! :zerb:

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:tricho: VERY VERY true.