Update on my arm - Hognose bite

My appoligies. To all. I was saddly mistaken. They do not list it as a venomous due to the type of venom that it uses. They said that people that are alerigic to bee's and ants have more of a problem with their bites. Due to their diet they don't require a heavy venom. It is closer to Scorpion toxin or so I have been told. Once again I was sorely mistake and misinformed. Please except my humble appoligies and my prayer of a quick recovery.

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

Westernhog nose is a nonvenomous snake. They are call Puff adders cause the Puff up they are also called "blow snakes" they also do one other trick they play dead and roll on their back and put off a snell like they are dead. So if you got bite by a hoggie then you did not spend time in the ER. And if you did get bitten by something else I am sorry to hear that. If any one doesn't think I am telling the truth. Visit the following site. http://www.northern.edu/natsource/REPTILES/Hognos1.htm

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This from Snakes of North America, Eastern & Central Region by Alan Tennant:
"Hog-Nosed Snakes Genus Heterodon..
Inc Easter, Southern, Plains, Dusty & Mexican Hog Nosed snakes

All Heterodon, a term which means "different-toothed," are characterized by the enlarged teeth in the rear of the upper jaws, as well as by saliva which contains mild toxins...."
The Hog nosed snakes are also referred to as "Mildly Venomous" or "very Mildly Venomous".

Just because this person reacted this way to the toxins in the saliva may not mean EVERYONE will react this way, but it is possible.. Just as it is possible for SOME people to experience different reactions to bee stings, Copperhead envenomations..etc.
I dont think it is fair to discredit this person for sharing his experience with others.

Glad to hear you are doing better :)

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

My appoligies. To all. I was saddly mistaken. They do not list it as a venomous due to the type of venom that it uses. They said that people that are alerigic to bee's and ants have more of a problem with their bites. Due to their diet they don't require a heavy venom. It is closer to Scorpion toxin or so I have been told. Once again I was sorely mistake and misinformed. Please except my humble appoligies and my prayer of a quick recovery.

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Sometimes Im slow..LOL Sorry for the double post :)

Eyelash Viper, can you post pics of your arm so we can check it out???? pretty pleez with sugar on top?

Takes a big person to apologize like that. Well done, Frogie. ;) :)

mmm yes, pics plz!

Jsut to let some of you know whom are interested, ther are quite a few snakes that are venomous, but are believed to not be. The following is an excerpt from an article that I found that talks about this point exactly. I figured most would not believe me when I told them that Garter Snakes were venomous. Check out the article, it is a good read.

"Dr. Fry discovered that they were wrong. "Most of the snakes that we think of as nonvenomous are actually venomous," he explained. Garter snakes and many other supposedly nonvenomous snakes actually produce tiny amounts of venom.
Dr. Fry is quick to point out that this does not mean that garter snakes are dangerous. "All they need to do is stun a frog or slow it down a bit, and it's enough to help them," he said."

http://www.carlzimmer.com/articles/2...005_venom.html

interesting.

OT: ive seen a garter eat a frog while i was field herping. it was so AWESOME!

My hoggy was extremely active yesterday - she'd shed a couple of days ago (and I witnessed it!! - awesome) - well anyway, next day I'd given her a mouse so yesterday I didn't get her out but she wanted to come out and was whizzing round her viv. She dashed over to where I was replacing her water bowl so quickly it made me nervous! LOL! There I am now nervous of a little hoggy (the smallest snake I own) but will happily reach in and pick up my monster Sav ;) LOL

I almost feel bad for posting this
http://www.payneland.com/gallery/gal...=73&category=0

I guess we've just subscribed to the "very midly venomous" theory.