Investment morphs?

Where does everyone get like 10 thousand dollars? If I at only 14 with a job had 5 thousand dollar to spend on ball pythons i would be so happy.

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Originally Posted by gncz73

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sounds like me my first few years i too will be tradeing but i'm tradeing to get more morphs abd it you want bees then you have got to invest in spiders and pastels even if you but just one male of each and breed to get the females. thats what i want a bumble bee and thats why i bought a male pastel and female spider that i'm hopping will be breeding this year it might be close as she 900 grams

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I plan on having two males of each; Albinos, Pastels and Spiders for starters.
I plan to use 2.0 males per 0.6-0.8 females, if even 4-5 successfully take that's guesstimate 16-20 eggs 1/2 being Spiders and Pastels = 8-10 Spiders and Pastels added for future breedings.

I'm thinking:
2.0 Albino
0.6 Het Albino
2.0 Spider
2.0 Pastel

Same with the Albinos, 2.6 group. Even if 3-4 take, that's 12-16 1/2 being Albinos. That leaves me with 6-8 Albinos and 6-8 more hets for future breedings.

I'll sell a few of each along with the normals to aquier a group of 0.6 Het Pieds and later on 2.0 male Pieds.

This is mainly just thinking out loud of course, I know whole clutches could go bad or countless other negative scenarios when breeding and incubating eggs.

Albinos, I think, will always be popular. Pieds, again... always a crowd pleaser. But, I think you're forgetting hypos in your mix! SO much combo potential!

I would cut down on your doubles of the co-doms, and get more het pairs of other morphs.... Hypos, Pieds, Caramels, Clowns, so many to pick! The advantage is you can breed your 1.3's to the 10 available females next year, and still have 4 females left over to make poss het clutches. Of course, this plan takes more time... but it also makes you more diverse in three years... unless in two years you're planning on selling enough to make up for purchasing a breedable female.... :)

Six in one, half a dozen in the other really, I guess. Time vs Money.... always a large life decision! :)

I echo the comment about the co-doms. Unless you plan on doing 10 females to each morph, I would imagine 1 spider and 1 pastel male would be enough for 10 females?

At least that is my plan. For the extra 3k saved you could pick up a cinny male :)

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Originally Posted by Regal Boids

Where does everyone get like 10 thousand dollars? If I at only 14 with a job had 5 thousand dollar to spend on ball pythons i would be so happy.

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Key is age/full time work/possibly education depending on the job.

I'm doubling up on the male co-doms to make sure I have a support/back up male to get the job done, just in case.

I'm not looking at BP's for a quick buck or an easy turn around, I'm looking to build a nice size inventory in what I want to reproduce in the next 3-6yrs, hence holding back most of my morph babies and females Vs selling them off.

Once established breeding groups, I can sell off the Co-dom babies to assist in purchasing higher end groups of recessives in groups of 2.6 (2 males to 6 hets). Not too mention every year I will buy some more morphs in building up my collection/inventory.

I really don't plan on making any $$$ off BP's for 3-5yrs. My goal is to build a solid healthy breeding groups of 2.6 or 2.10 along with establish some inventory.

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Originally Posted by SnakeySnakeSnake

Key is age/full time work/possibly education depending on the job.

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Priorities also plays a role in this, where you spend your $$$. We have a mortgage, utilities, expenses, child, etc. But we allocate our income wisely and again age comes to play as well.

Another possitive is we have been breeding Boas and other snakes and that has put some extra cash flow into supporting/maintaining/acquiring more snakes. Our snake sales don't go toward a new car or vacations or anything other than right back into our snakes or toward new additions to our collection.

Another thing is credit, our credit score is very good. We get offers all the time for 0% credit cards for 15-18 months and low 2.99% to 5.99% to maybe 8.99% afterward. As long as you are sure you can pay the balance before the end of the , it's a free loan for 18 months. This is why young people need to protect their credit as if it was gold! This will open many doors and save you a lot of headaches and money as you get older and apply for that new car or house or BEL!

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Originally Posted by ssscales

I'm doubling up on the male co-doms to make sure I have a support/back up male to get the job done, just in case.

I'm not looking at BP's for a quick buck or an easy turn around, I'm looking to build a nice size inventory in what I want to reproduce in the next 3-6yrs, hence holding back most of my morph babies and females Vs selling them off.

Once established breeding groups, I can sell off the Co-dom babies to assist in purchasing higher end groups of recessives in groups of 2.6 (2 males to 6 hets). Not too mention every year I will buy some more morphs in building up my collection/inventory.

I really don't plan on making any $$$ off BP's for 3-5yrs. My goal is to build a solid healthy breeding groups of 2.6 or 2.10 along with establish some inventory.

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I agree that by doubling up on the co-doms you double your chances on getting clutches of that morph, I was just pointing out another option :) I think you have a very solid plan with some good backups in place to guarantee success!

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Originally Posted by ssscales

Priorities also plays a role in this, where you spend your $$$. We have a mortgage, utilities, expenses, child, etc. But we allocate our income wisely and again age comes to play as well.

Another possitive is we have been breeding Boas and other snakes and that has put some extra cash flow into supporting/maintaining/acquiring more snakes. Our snake sales don't go toward a new car or vacations or anything other than right back into our snakes or toward new additions to our collection.

Another thing is credit, our credit score is very good. We get offers all the time for 0% credit cards for 15-18 months and low 2.99% to 5.99% to maybe 8.99% afterward. As long as you are sure you can pay the balance before the end of the , it's a free loan for 18 months. This is why young people need to protect their credit as if it was gold! This will open many doors and save you a lot of headaches and money as you get older and apply for that new car or house or BEL!

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I agree the 0% thing for 12 months is nice, you just have to have backup plans incase things fall through, or go wrong. Putting one 15k snake on a 0% 12 months card may not be the best idea, but 10 breedable females and a few breedable males ready to go in a few months might be better (just depends on situation and ability to pay off)

I would never put $15K on one snake, I'd rather put $5K into three or $3K into five before dropping $15K on one. I don't mind risk, but putting all your eggs into one snake, is just too much risk for my tolerance.

I also agree with you on diversifying a collection and not focusing on 100% 1 or 2 morphs, again putting your eggs in one basket.

I just want to establish quality, healthy, solid breeding groups of what I consider basics and then branch out into others and designer morphs. I'm not thinking about a quick ROI, but as mentioned establish myself first. BP's are still real new to me, but I'm absorbing as much as I can thinking more in 5-6 years Vs next year.

I appreciate all your input which is why I started this thread, I want to see if I'm going in the right direction or need to tweak it a bit. I definitely will diversify with each year, but at the same time I have much to do with boas as well. Most of my focus is still with Boas, but have come to LOVE BP's!

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I also wouldn't use any Credit card to invest in snakes unless I had the cash to pay it off before the terms are up. The only reason I would consider it, is for a 0% loan for 15 months which frees up cash to use elsewhere or just continue to gain interest.