Africa?

Some of you are just speculating with info you pulled out of your butts. Read the last chapter in Kevin's book, The Complete Ball Python, and you'll be able to have a better discussion on a topic like this.

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Originally Posted by elevatethis

Some of you are just speculating with info you pulled out of your butts. Read the last chapter in Kevin's book, The Complete Ball Python, and you'll be able to have a better discussion on a topic like this.

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What Brad said...the folks in Africa are far from dumb; they know what these animals are worth and no one wants to get cheated out of the most they can get. And shoot, I'm sure many Africans read boards like this for that matter...people who actively read and post on messageboards like this are a big part of the ball python market. It's research, baby...=)

But yeah, what Brad said. We're missing the whole intrigue around the ball python market in Africa and that's the ball python lords...

Amen. I would think that the people living in the country that these snakes are native to would know as much as possible about that considering the extensive market that encompasses them.

NEVER underestimate people willing to make a few bucks here and there to keep their families thriving.

Ralph wrote a nice little shpeal on importing a few years back, and I assume most of it still holds true. Here's the link: Ralph's shpeal. I still haven't got a copy of NERD's book https://ball-pythons.net/forums/imag...h_sterb179.gif, so I don't what Kev has said about the topic.


-Evan

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Originally Posted by xdeus

I don't see how that could be possible. I don't think too many people would pay the same price for a common WC morph as a proven CBB one. Look at the BEL and Lessers that are up for sale. I think Africa has a reptuation for poor quality as well (mites, parasites, hard to feed), so even if they did produce CBB morphs over there, they wouldn't get the same price as in the U.S. Of course they could charge a premium for new morphs, and will get it. I have to wonder how many of the new morphs are held back over there and bred, then shipped to an importer as a "one of a kind".

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It's possible and it happens. You have to realize that there are two price structures on ball python mutations ... retail and wholesale ... Africa prices are the same as US wholesale. The difference between the prices is that in order to get the wholesale price (in either Africa or the US) you have to buy large quantities.

-adam

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Originally Posted by herplover92

Thanks Adam, you the man, lol.
Have you ever got any from the wild, or have you ever went to Africa, Adam?
thanks again.
Samuel Zaglul.

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Yes, I have animals that I imported from Africa years ago.

No, I have never been. It's not a fun place for outsiders to visit. The trappers and farmers are very protective of their property and business (ie. $$$) you can't just go over there and start collecting ball pythons without bad things happening to you ... like having your hands cut off with a machete.

-adam

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Originally Posted by SnakeySnakeSnake

/shrug

I find it hard to believe that most of the farming is done on land owned by poor africans, rather than by rich land owners

like I said, I read/heard this information from a few sources, doesnt make any of it true.

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Most of the land is tribal property farmed and cultivated by the tribes which also run the farms. It's a very different structure from the capitalistic framework you're trying to jam it into.

Looks like you've got some more reading to do. :rolleye2:

-adam

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Originally Posted by SnakeySnakeSnake

I dont see how individuals (trappers) can actually get much money for morphs over there. If the suppliers refused to buy them, they wouldnt have any means to sell them.

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The trappers find morphs and run to internet cafe and email the big breeders that they see on KS. They're not stupid. The problem is that if the exporter/farmer that they work for finds out, they get their feet cut off. :carrot: It's a dangerous game that's played over there.

-adam

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

Most of the land is tribal property farmed and cultivated by the tribes which also run the farms. It's a very different structure from the capitalistic framework you're trying to jam it into.

Looks like you've got some more reading to do. :rolleye2:

-adam

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Obviously :)

Glad I included the "I probably dont know jack" in my original post :)

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Originally Posted by elevatethis

Some of you are just speculating with info you pulled out of your butts. Read the last chapter in Kevin's book, The Complete Ball Python, and you'll be able to have a better discussion on a topic like this.

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Are you talking to me? Or just in general. I read Kevin's book, and I also read a few things online. I obviously know nothing for fact, and there is nothing wrong with speculation if it is admittedly speculation.


Edit: Remind me never to post in a thread here with "speculation" in order to get a discussion going.


Just so I fit your description of speculation pulled out of my butt. I picture a dictatorship where one rich Foreigner, European, or American, but probably white, Has a lockdown on the land, and keeps his armed men patrolling, and seizes all ball pythons captured with very little food/pay given to the impoverished villagers/natives. When a trapper finds a morph, sometimes they risk life and limb to sneak their family and the morph out of the area so that they can buy their freedom from under the oppressor.

Thats just the beginning of what can come out of me bum, but Im sure we could make it into a movie.