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  • 05-01-2006, 03:05 PM
    cassandra
    Re: Geographic Distribution of Proven and Unproven Morphs
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Mendel's Balls
    Your probably right to a certain extent...however, I dont know if it is as secretive as the drug trade.....after all there are arent as many restrictions on the exotic pet trade as the illegal drug trade....

    Plus many governments want to protect their natural resources.....I think Adam mentioned that many Africian governments do a decent job of regulating this.....

    All the more reason to protect your information and locations: a legal business, while regulated, that can turn around huge profits from hunting in the wild? Yeah, you're gonna keep your information secret, the goal being to find the next piebald, the next platty daddy, the next-big-thing that they can make huge money on...
  • 05-01-2006, 03:12 PM
    Mendel's Balls
    Re: Geographic Distribution of Proven and Unproven Morphs
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by cassandra
    All the more reason to protect your information and locations: a legal business, while regulated, that can turn around huge profits from hunting in the wild? Yeah, you're gonna keep your information secret, the goal being to find the next piebald, the next platty daddy, the next-big-thing that they can make huge money on...

    The next...I think that's the key.....one is defaintly more likely to be secretive with newer morphs than morphs that have been proven genetic and have a high "capative" gene pool....
  • 05-01-2006, 03:17 PM
    Adam_Wysocki
    Re: Geographic Distribution of Proven and Unproven Morphs
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Mendel's Balls
    Plus many governments want to protect their natural resources.....I think Adam mentioned that many Africian governments do a decent job of regulating this.....

    In the process of protecting their resources they might collect some distribution data.....

    The vast majority of morphs that are found in the wild come from eggs that were laid by wild collected females. While the location the female was collected from is recorded so that she can be returned, the eggs are incubated in mass and allowed to hatch in a non-controlled environment. As far as I know, once a clutch is mixed in with other clutches in the incubation boxes there is no tracking of eggs or hatchlings. When they pop open the egg boxes and see an albino or a yellow belly or whatever, there is no way to track that hatchling back to a clutch, female, or geographic location.

    If adult mutations are found in the wild, the individual trapper holds on to that information as if it was gold. There are no government officials following the trappers around in the wild.

    I suppose if a CITES survey was conducted and during the course of that survey a morph was found, it would be recorded. But I don't know enough about that process to do anything more than speculate.

    -adam
  • 05-01-2006, 03:18 PM
    Adam_Wysocki
    Re: Geographic Distribution of Proven and Unproven Morphs
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Mendel's Balls
    one is defaintly more likely to be secretive with newer morphs than morphs that have been proven genetic and have a high "capative" gene pool....

    A trapper that finds a single mutation (whether new, existing, high "captive" gene pool, whatever) makes enough money to feed his entire family for a year ... and then some. They keep it all secret.

    -adam
  • 05-01-2006, 03:20 PM
    Mendel's Balls
    Re: Geographic Distribution of Proven and Unproven Morphs
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki
    A trapper that finds a single mutation (whether new, existing, high "captive" gene pool, whatever) makes enough money to feed his entire family for a year ... and then some. They keep it all secret.

    -adam

    Good Point!
  • 05-01-2006, 03:21 PM
    cassandra
    Re: Geographic Distribution of Proven and Unproven Morphs
    Who wants to go on a herping trip to Ghana?! =D
  • 05-01-2006, 03:22 PM
    Mendel's Balls
    Re: Geographic Distribution of Proven and Unproven Morphs
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

    I suppose if a CITES survey was conducted and during the course of that survey a morph was found, it would be recorded. But I don't know enough about that process to do anything more than speculate.

    -adam

    I was thinking along these lines.....Thanks for the responses!
  • 05-01-2006, 03:28 PM
    Melicious
    Re: Geographic Distribution of Proven and Unproven Morphs
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by cassandra
    Who wants to go on a herping trip to Ghana?! =D

    I'll bring the bug spray?
  • 05-01-2006, 03:35 PM
    cueball
    Re: Geographic Distribution of Proven and Unproven Morphs
    I'll bring the tiaras :buttercup


    Good info Adam :gj:
  • 05-01-2006, 03:51 PM
    Adam_Wysocki
    Re: Geographic Distribution of Proven and Unproven Morphs
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by cassandra
    Who wants to go on a herping trip to Ghana?! =D

    Not me ... I want to live. :D

    They're not real big fans of people coming over and trying to muscle in on their livelihoods ... and justice over there ain't doled out by Judge Judy ... more like judge machete! :(

    -adam
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