Future of the BP market?

Check it http://www.crestedgecko.com/ball_python_available.htm

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Originally Posted by herplover92

so, i am going to get a pastel in the near future. should i get it from this "breeder" who has them for $350 or from a good breeder like Adam from 8ballpythons? if i buy it from the guy that has it cheap, will i be contributing(sp) to the "damaging" of the ball biz?

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You've got to remember that when you are buying a snake from a breeder big or small you are also buying their reputation. Personally I would buy from someone who's been in the business a while like Adam...His pastels vs. the $350 may be a bit more, but with his quality of pastel, but with the quality of service you get with it Adam's snake is definitely worth the extra bucks. If this $350 pastel guy is a no-name he may have a good rep on the other hand he may not. You may not get what you are promised, and end up getting burned.

If you have the urge to save money at least ask for references or do a bit of background research on this small breeder.

In the end it is your final decision. Personally I'd go with the animal that has a great guy's reputation and heart put in to it.

Edit: Just noticed that you put the breeder site right before I posted, Garrick is a pretty well established breeder, and I've talked to him in person twice now. Very stand up guy! I wouldn't hesitate to do business with him, and I was actually going to purchase a pastel from him at a show but he didn't have any available. His prices seem quite a bit lower than last season, so I'm not sure if he's projecting...but fair market prices for quality pastels from most breeders are still going to be in the $600+ range. He doesnt' have any available right now, so we'll see what he produces.

Jason

yeah, i think that 350 is just his estimation since he had his pastels going for 650 last year.

i love what Ralph Davis's said and i agree. last year in 2005 i had two male pastles for sell and i had a few people that only wanted to give me 200 or 300 for the but i wanted 700 and i got 700 it took a little longer but i would have gladly held on to the one male as he was a stud lots of blushing.and one of the guys that offer me 300 ended up giveing me the 700 for him. so never be afaid to hold on and wait to make a sell.

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Originally Posted by herplover92

Check it http://www.crestedgecko.com/ball_python_available.htm

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All Prices in Yellow are Projected Prices for 2006 Offspring



Ok, so they arent being sold yet, pre-sold for $350 and that is a "projected" price for a hatchling, in ?? months time. A lot of people list pre-sell prices, but I don't count it until I actually see the live animal going for that amount.


Edit: I see now that this was pointed out already.

There is nothing wrong with getting the best price for yourself, even full time breeders will admit that, the only issue is when you sacrifice quality/health/etc for the price through an unknown breeder.

I think pastels are an example of where people get in for low investment, get several females, and pump a bunch out, that has dropped the price significantly


Pet shops often have adult female BP's for $100 or so, and if you pick up a male pastel for $400 you can try to breed him in the fall. If your one pastel breeds the 5 females you picked up, and you get average luck, then you might end up with 12 pastels.

I think the main instability comes with the low priced morphs. More of the get rich quick people can afford them, and even the non-get rich quick people. If you pick up a grown female, you are looking at a short term investment in time to get a few clutches of pastels out.

The more stable priced morphs are recessives (which take more effort to get a visible morph out of ) and the super/multi-morph combos which represent a signficiant time investment.

I think certain areas are unstable, or bottoming out, but others are blooming.

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Originally Posted by SnakeySnakeSnake

I think pastels are an example of where people get in for low investment, get several females, and pump a bunch out, that has dropped the price significantly

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And unfortunately the quality of most of these pastels has dropped as well...there are so many poor looking pastels listed on KS its ridiculous. The "get rich quick" breeders aren't in the market to produce quality animals just to make a real quick buck.

If these guys were looking long-term these guys would be working towards supers, and pastel combos. Luckily most of the breeders with that mentality aren't bound to stick around too much longer. We don't need guys like that around that are underapreciating the animals that made the market what it is, it makes the rest of us small breeders that are passionate about BPs look bad.

I will have a pastel in my collection at some point, and I'm willing to shell out for it...however most of the offspring the first year I produce will be held back for super projects, combos, and trading to strengthen bloodlines.

With or without these "get rich quick" breeders the market will subsist, prices will stay stable, I haven't been in the market long enough to say for sure, but I'm sure the market will be as stong as it is now in years to come.

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Future of the BP market?

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All I know is............ball pythons are cool no matter what ;)

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Originally Posted by daniel1983

All I know is............ball pythons are cool no matter what ;)

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Truer words were never spoken! :sweeet:

in addition to the above, really take time and shop for a good breeder. a good breeder will already have nice quality animals, they have put the time/money into there breeding stock. not bought the cheapest they could find. the knowledge and after sales help that comes with good breeders is "priceless"



vaughn