People claim recessives hold value more... but...

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Originally Posted by xdeus

Anyway, I don't think you can just use a blanket statement that "recessive is a better investment".

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I agree ... Investment wise, "better" is very situational based on existing animals in your collection, finances, goals, etc.

As far as hypos vs. super pastels, that's a hard piece of cake to swallow as well ... the original hypos were only priced at around a couple of thousand dollars .... as a matter of fact, in 1998 I bought a hypo male as an adult for $800.00 ... now, I sell hypo male hatchlings for $1,500.00

Super pastels started out of the gate at 25K, so they naturally had a long way to fall.

Hypos have actually gone up as much as 100% in value over the same time that pastels have fallen 68% when you compare hypo to super pastel.

-adam

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

Hypos have actually gone up as much as 100% in value over the same time that pastels have fallen 68% when you compare hypo to super pastel.

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Okay, but as far as profit do you think people have made more on pastels or hypos even with the increase/decrease in values? I would much rather buy a $25K snake and sell 100 of them at $1,000 than if I bought a $500 snake and could only sell 20 of them at $1,000.

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Originally Posted by xdeus

Okay, but as far as profit do you think people have made more on pastels or hypos even with the increase/decrease in values? I would much rather buy a $25K snake and sell 100 of them at $1,000 than if I bought a $500 snake and could only sell 20 of them at $1,000.

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I think that if the game was checkers, pastels would certainly yield a higher profit ... For me, the game is chess ... If I were to put all of the hypo and het hypo females that I've held back on the market today, they'd be sold in a heartbeat and I'd have 2x's the money that I've ever made on pastels in my pocket. ;)

-adam

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

I think that if the game was checkers, pastels would certainly yield a higher profit ... For me, the game is chess ... If I were to put all of the hypo and het hypo females that I've held back on the market today, they'd be sold in a heartbeat and I'd have 2x's the money that I've ever made on pastels in my pocket. ;)

-adam

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Ah... you bring up another good point: the other players in the game. It seems to happen more with the codoms, but it happens with the recessives too like the Piebald. You always have to consider the breeder that will grab a lionshare of the market with a certain morph. It happened last year with the pastel, and Peter Kahl did it with the Pied. Who knows, maybe this year you'll do it with the hypo. :) A lot of small breeders seem to get upset because of it, but I think it's just part of the game. I think you gave the best advice for any wannabe breeder: breed what you love.

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Originally Posted by xdeus

Who knows, maybe this year you'll do it with the hypo.

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LOL ... No way ... I'm a whore for females ... not gonna happen.

BTW, FWIW, I think what Pete did with pieds last year was extremely smart! ... We'll know soon enough if people "got the message". ;)

-adam

What are you referring to with teh pieds last year? Just wondering.
Wolfy

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

LOL ... No way ... I'm a whore for females ... not gonna happen.

BTW, FWIW, I think what Pete did with pieds last year was extremely smart! ... We'll know soon enough if people "got the message". ;)

-adam

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Do tell! And we knew you were a whore for the females :D

As it has been brought up already it's all about supply and demand. As the supply increase the price will drop and the demand will increase based on the lower price. That being said, the value of the base morphs is only enhanced by the combinations they produce. IMHO, it's more about combinations for me, I wanna see what I can get by mixing A+B+C2. :D

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Originally Posted by Gecko Den

As it has been brought up already it's all about supply and demand. As the supply increase the price will drop and the demand will increase based on the lower price. That being said, the value of the base morphs is only enhanced by the combinations they produce. IMHO, it's more about combinations for me, I wanna see what I can get by mixing A+B+C2. :D

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I'm with ^^ Him..

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

BTW, FWIW, I think what Pete did with pieds last year was extremely smart! ... We'll know soon enough if people "got the message". ;)

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Yes, what did he do (hold, sell, high, low, export, increase/decrease production)?