Breeder's What do you think of this????

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Originally Posted by IamKaervek

I certainly hope those people have never stepped on an ant before! ;) That would be quite hypocritical.

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not excatly cause people and ant meet all the time but when u breed two animal that dont exsist anywhere near each other its seen as playing god

( not my personal opinion just playing the devils advocate)

That's kind of my thinking... everything we do could be seen as interfering... and, as Shelby said, these animals are being kept in captivity. We're already interfering by keeping them (and you could make the argument that we interfered by breeding cats and dogs, too). I don't see a problem with it, as long as these hybrids are not being released back into the wild...

And that's where I draw my preverbial line. If you're breeding them for occupation or if you're keeping them as pets, that's fine. The animals are no longer part of the natural world or food chain. It's when you start reintroducing creatures that were engineered back into an environment that was never meant to house them that I have major issues.

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Originally Posted by ladywhipple02

as long as these hybrids are not being released back into the wild...

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THATS IT!!! THATS WHAT WAS BUGGING ME!!!!!!!!!

thank u :)

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Originally Posted by Shelby

I see nothing wrong with it.. unless the female is the ball. ;)

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i dont know if this is a joke or something (i'm a blonde) but why is it bad for the female to be the ball?

It'd be like breeding a chiuaha and a great dane and have the male be the great dane. It'd be kinda painful for the female.

Anyway... on the subject... I don't think breeding a hybrid is any different or more like playing god than it is to make a snowball. Think about it... lets start from the beginning of making a snow ball (in the wild)

A homozygous albino would have to meet up with a homozygous axanthic... (far out odds as it is... and remember.. they have to be of opposite sex).

The clutch would have to be incubated succesfully, and some het albinos some het axanthics and maybe ONE DH albino/axanthic (snow) would be produced... then the same thing would have to be reproduced somewhere else in the wild and by chance, those two DH's would have to meet up again about three to four years later. It's mind boggling what the odds are.

So, in my opinion, making a snowball in captivity is not like playing god, making a ball/burm hybrid is not like playing god, and a cancer patient getting medical care when they would die without treatment is not like playing god.

(Do we REALLY want to get into the whole "god" thing???)

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Originally Posted by reptile-girl

i dont know if this is a joke or something (i'm a blonde) but why is it bad for the female to be the ball?

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Just imagine a ball python trying to lay a burm-sized egg. :)

I think that one's belief's should be consistent...so, according to that, I simply can not complain about hybridization like that when I, at the same time, am really interested in ball python morphs. Breeding selectively for those over and over again narrows the gene pool for these animals (its actually a good thing that breeders produce hets for these recessive traits- this actually keeps the genepool pretty diverse, rather than just breeding homozygous animals over and over and over again) and I feel that on a larger scale, this would be more harmful to captive species than a few sterile hybrids here and there.

Just my .10

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Originally Posted by ddbjdealer

A homozygous albino would have to meet up with a homozygous axanthic... (far out odds as it is... and remember.. they have to be of opposite sex).

The clutch would have to be incubated succesfully, and some het albinos some het axanthics and maybe ONE DH albino/axanthic (snow) would be produced... then the same thing would have to be reproduced somewhere else in the wild and by chance, those two DH's would have to meet up again about three to four years later. It's mind boggling what the odds are.

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Actually just to clarify, if an albino & an axanthic bred, all of the offspring would be double hets for both traits...but yes, then the double hets would have to meet back up, in the wild...in the grand scheme of things...not bloody likely! :)

K~

I'm not saying that breeding hybrids is like playing God... I'm saying that's what people that are AGAINST in think.


Personally, I agree that breeding certain morphs together is the same thing... just don't put the poor animal back into the wild where it'll never survive cause it can't hide itself!

I suppose that this might be a question for someone like Kara who have dealt with a lot of ball morphs; I'm wondering what, if any, adverse affects that have been observed in animals that have been selectively bred for certain color and pattern mutations?