Helpful tips needed

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Originally Posted by Craiga 01453

Spoken by one of the best in the business.

OP, make sure while you're learning you're learning from reputable sources. Deborah of Stewart's Reptiles is one of them. She's fantastic. There are more than a handful of very knowledgeable BP breeders on this forum who will be happy to help you out. Just be sure to learn from the right ones.

I don't breed, so I won't offer any actual breeding advice. However, I've been around this hobby a long time and try to stay pretty in tune with what's going on in the hobby.

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:P meh I don't know about that but I know a thing or two and seeing people be successful as a keeper or breeder if this is the route they chose is important to me, there is nothing sadder than someone losing their passion as a owner or breeder because of poor decisions or poor understanding of what they are getting into.

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Originally Posted by vivi

You´ve never kept snakes or bred them for that matter, where´s all this knowledge and experience on the BP market coming from? I´m no breeder and am incredibly inexperienced but how do you know they sell incredibly well? People will more likely buy from a tried and true reputable breeder over a breeder just starting out so it could be very hard to get business, especially since there´s around 16,000 BPs for sale on Morphmarket alone. Again, OP, no one is trying to discourage you. I can´t give you any suggestions because I don´t know anything about breeding or morphology and will leave that to the more experienced breeders.

Agreed, Deborah is a great and experienced breeder. Be careful who you take advice from.

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They sell really well at shows, and they sell well on morphmarket, it's undeniable.


I did not say OP wouldn't lose money, I did not say that op should build an entire collection around entry level females.

In your opinion, whats wrong with buying a couple breeder females to get ones feet wet and gain experience?

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Originally Posted by Stewart_Reptiles

there is nothing sadder than someone losing their passion as a owner or breeder because of poor decisions or poor understanding of what they are getting into.

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Agreed. I´ve seen lots of people rehome animals ¨because said animal isn't for them¨ it's always important to do research beforehand to see if you can provide those needs for said animal and if said animal would be rewarding to keep in your eyes.

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Originally Posted by PartySnake13

They sell really well at shows, and they sell well on morphmarket, it's undeniable.


I did not say OP wouldn't lose money, I did not say that op should build an entire collection around entry level females.

In your opinion, whats wrong with buying a couple breeder females to get ones feet wet and gain experience?

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First off, I never claimed you said to build an entire collection around entry level females. OP should be prepared to lose money. And what about the economy nowadays? I don't think it's going to magically repair itself after the pandemic. There's no point in restating what I already said.

There´s nothing wrong with getting some experience as long as you 1) Do the right research and 2) Be prepared to keep the offspring if they don't sell.

Anyway, OP you have a banana pied?? They are freakin awesome looking.

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Originally Posted by PartySnake13

They sell really well at shows, and they sell well on morphmarket, it's undeniable.

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Do you have a way to back these claims? Cause my understanding is that normals and single gene animals don't sell as well on platforms like morphmarket because it often costs more to ship the animal than the actual price of the animal.

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Originally Posted by PartySnake13

They sell really well at shows, and they sell well on morphmarket, it's undeniable.


I did not say OP wouldn't lose money, I did not say that op should build an entire collection around entry level females.

In your opinion, whats wrong with buying a couple breeder females to get ones feet wet and gain experience?

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The main issue is producing animals that there is no demand for and thousands already available. It's cruel to the animals to bring them into a world that nobody wants them. What do you think will happen to the babies when you can't even give them away and don't have the finances to care for and feed that many babies? The only way it is ok to breed a normal or even a pastel is if you are ok with keeping all the babies as forever pets. In this market, as of right now at least, there is no reason to breed low end animals, literally thousands need homes. If you want to breed, breed high end animals that that have a high demand or breed for your own collection. Otherwise you're much better off just buying what you want. Breeding low end animals you will lose money and add to the problem of an oversaturated market.

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Originally Posted by Craiga 01453

Do you have a way to back these claims? Cause my understanding is that normals and single gene animals don't sell as well on platforms like morphmarket because it often costs more to ship the animal than the actual price of the animal.

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Yes, morph market keeps records of animals sold.

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Originally Posted by rufretic

The main issue is producing animals that there is no demand for and thousands already available. It's cruel to the animals to bring them into a world that nobody wants them. What do you think will happen to the babies when you can't even give them away and don't have the finances to care for and feed that many babies? The only way it is ok to breed a normal or even a pastel is if you are ok with keeping all the babies as forever pets. In this market, as of right now at least, there is no reason to breed low end animals, literally thousands need homes. If you want to breed, breed high end animals that that have a high demand or breed for your own collection. Otherwise you're much better off just buying what you want. Breeding low end animals you will lose money and add to the problem of an oversaturated market.

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x2. Well stated.

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Originally Posted by PartySnake13

Yes, morph market keeps records of animals sold.

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You do realize that this tells us nothing about how well they sell... You also failed to mention shows...

Why add to the over-saturated BP market when there is no demand for them and thousands in need of homes? I must be missing something here...

Then again, there are some awesome BP morphs that you don´t see often that you could probably get a pretty penny for, so don´t let me discourage you. You could make a lot of money breeding BPs with patience.

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Originally Posted by vivi

You also failed to mention shows...

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The breeders I've spoken to said that they sell really well, they're not very profitable or even profitable at all, but people are eager to grab them up at shows.

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Originally Posted by vivi

Why add to the over-saturated BP market when there is no demand for them and thousands in need of homes? I must be missing something here...

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Some would argue that it's wrong to breed animals at all while thousands of animals are in need of homes, sounds like a question or morality to me.