Avengers Endgame SPOILER Thread

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Originally Posted by Skeptiball

I can accept the argument that it seemed "forced" and I say, "So what?"

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The fact that you didn't bother to read what was said before charging in guns blazing means this will likely fall on deaf ears, but here goes

So what is this:

While I agree that there needs to me more representation of strong female characters, it needs to be well done to truly be legitimate. The scene felt like a cheap, thrown together "token" done as an obligatory gesture, rather than a true effort. If we keep accepting this as ok, where does it truly get us? Nowhere. Well written, complex female characters that people can identify with are what is needed, not forced token gestures.

Yes, I WOULD definitely complain if they did that kind of crappy job on a scene of male characters charging in. There was no exposition. They just magically appeared. It was lazy. Ex: The Wasp had JUST been shown in the van and suddenly she is there?

I don't do super heroes. The closest I get is Deadpool and that is because it is just plain funny. I just wish people could watch, read, or listen to something without having to associate an agenda to it. Too many of this, not enough of that. For crying out loud, if these are the things you are concerning yourself with you don't have enough real problems. Sit back, chill, enjoy life. There are people that actually have to worry about where their next meal is coming from or if they will even be alive tomorrow. Don't create drama where there doesn't need to be any. You will be a lot happier.

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Originally Posted by reptilemom25

The fact that you didn't bother to read what was said before charging in guns blazing means this will likely fall on deaf ears, but here goes

So what is this:

While I agree that there needs to me more representation of strong female characters, it needs to be well done to truly be legitimate. The scene felt like a cheap, thrown together "token" done as an obligatory gesture, rather than a true effort. If we keep accepting this as ok, where does it truly get us? Nowhere. Well written, complex female characters that people can identify with are what is needed, not forced token gestures.

Yes, I WOULD definitely complain if they did that kind of crappy job on a scene of male characters charging in. There was no exposition. They just magically appeared. It was lazy. Ex: The Wasp had JUST been shown in the van and suddenly she is there?

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Exactly this. It was gratuitously sexist and very forced. The scene was exactly a "The girls are here to do what the boys can't" and that doesn't bode well with me. Some of my favorite characters throughout all literature and movies are female, by all means lets see some ass kicking girl heroes, but don't make it what they did there. That's just a sham.

Paul

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Originally Posted by Skeptiball

I can accept the argument that it seemed "forced" and I say, "So what?" If you're looking for subtlety, a superhero film isn't the place. I thought it was great and I got chills during that scene. That scene will speak to so many people out there and I think that's amazing. Would anyone be complaining about a scene showing Iron Man, Thor, Black Panther, Spider-Man, Hawkeye, (insert any male character here) gathering and charging into battle?

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You are welcome to your opinion but I disagree. That wasn't a real scene. It was a token scene. This isn't the 60's. Token characters and moments were needed back then just to get the idea in peoples' heads that it was ok or at least get them used to seeing it. Take Lt. Ohura from Star Trek. All she did was look hot and repeat what the computer said. She knew she was token character and almost left the show. But Dr. King told her that just her presence on the show was having a huge impact on people and she stayed. But we are way past that now.

That Avengers scene felt like just a step up from the 60's. It would have been more powerful if it was executed to be more natural.

I like that they weaseled gamora back into it by bringing her in from the past but I was kind of upset they didn't do the same for Loki. He's always been one of my favorite characters.

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Originally Posted by reptilemom25

The fact that you didn't bother to read what was said before charging in guns blazing means this will likely fall on deaf ears, but here goes

So what is this:

While I agree that there needs to me more representation of strong female characters, it needs to be well done to truly be legitimate. The scene felt like a cheap, thrown together "token" done as an obligatory gesture, rather than a true effort. If we keep accepting this as ok, where does it truly get us? Nowhere. Well written, complex female characters that people can identify with are what is needed, not forced token gestures.

Yes, I WOULD definitely complain if they did that kind of crappy job on a scene of male characters charging in. There was no exposition. They just magically appeared. It was lazy. Ex: The Wasp had JUST been shown in the van and suddenly she is there?

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I have my doubts.

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Originally Posted by pbenner

Exactly this. It was gratuitously sexist and very forced. The scene was exactly a "The girls are here to do what the boys can't" and that doesn't bode well with me. Some of my favorite characters throughout all literature and movies are female, by all means lets see some ass kicking girl heroes, but don't make it what they did there. That's just a sham.

Paul

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We see things differently.

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Originally Posted by reptilemom25

The fact that you didn't bother to read what was said before charging in guns blazing means this will likely fall on deaf ears, but here goes

So what is this:

While I agree that there needs to me more representation of strong female characters, it needs to be well done to truly be legitimate. The scene felt like a cheap, thrown together "token" done as an obligatory gesture, rather than a true effort. If we keep accepting this as ok, where does it truly get us? Nowhere. Well written, complex female characters that people can identify with are what is needed, not forced token gestures.

Yes, I WOULD definitely complain if they did that kind of crappy job on a scene of male characters charging in. There was no exposition. They just magically appeared. It was lazy. Ex: The Wasp had JUST been shown in the van and suddenly she is there?

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The vast majority of films show the males charging in to save the day and most people accept it without a thought.

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Originally Posted by Skeptiball

The vast majority of films show the males charging in to save the day and most people accept it without a thought.

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the fact that they are charging in to save the day is NOT the problem, as everyone here who commented has said. It is the shoddy way in which they executed the scene. They did a very poor job of setting it up. It feels like they didn't really care if they got it right or presented it well. It feels like they threw it in just to rubber stamp the fact that " we support the women's movement" than a true effort to advance the role of women in film. They can and should do better. "Most people" accept anything they see without question, but anyone looking for a quality film would see the shoddy set up and holes you could drive a truck through in that scene, men or women.

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Originally Posted by Skeptiball

I have my doubts.

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You don't know me. How can you make that judgement? The fact that you would is telling.

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Originally Posted by reptilemom25

the fact that they are charging in to save the day is NOT the problem, as everyone here who commented has said. It is the shoddy way in which they executed the scene. They did a very poor job of setting it up. It feels like they didn't really care if they got it right or presented it well. It feels like they threw it in just to rubber stamp the fact that " we support the women's movement" than a true effort to advance the role of women in film. They can and should do better. "Most people" accept anything they see without question, but anyone looking for a quality film would see the shoddy set up and holes you could drive a truck through in that scene, men or women.

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You don't know me. How can you make that judgement? The fact that you would is telling.

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Simple. I read your comments and I have doubts.