Proving a male het

Griggs, there is very little evidence for a marker with the albino gene. Only the pied seems to be significant if not 100% reliable.

Adam, hopefully you will prove some of those unmarkered 50% het pied girls. Did you ask if any of the males in the clutch had the marker? I've produced clutches where the 50% with the marker fell heavy on the males - sucks.

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Originally Posted by RandyRemington

Griggs, there is very little evidence for a marker with the albino gene.

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Actually, that depends on who you talk to.

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Only the pied seems to be significant if not 100% reliable.

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The only thing that makes the pied marker so called "significant" is the fact that it is the one most talked about on the internet ... usually by people that have never seen a pied, het pied, and sometimes even a "marker" in person.

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Adam, hopefully you will prove some of those unmarkered 50% het pied girls.

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Yup. I hope to do a lot better than Pete did with the 20 66% het girls he tried to prove this year ... and they all had the marker. ;)

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Originally Posted by RandyRemington

Did you ask if any of the males in the clutch had the marker? I've produced clutches where the 50% with the marker fell heavy on the males - sucks.

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I saw every single animal produced, males and females ... not one had the marker. It's all bull **** if you ask me. ;)

-adam

"Yup. I hope to do a lot better than Pete did with the 20 66% het girls he tried to prove this year ... and they all had the marker."

Do tell the results please. These where markered possible hets he produced?

"It's all bull **** if you ask me."

That's a pretty clear quote of your position.

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Originally Posted by RandyRemington

Do tell the results please. These where markered possible hets he produced?

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Every single one. The best "markers" you've ever seen. ;)

I'm sure when Pete is ready he will talk about his findings from breeding possible het girls with the so called "marker".

I think you'll see a lot of the speculation about whats going on with many popular morphs put to rest in the next 12 months or so. One more breeding season to iron things out.

-adam

I look forward to seeing what he has to post on the subject.

So they where 20 66% possible het pied females that he produced. Was that the full sample size or just the ones that produced clutches and failed to prove het pied this year? Where the males homozygous pieds from the same proven genetic line?

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Originally Posted by RandyRemington

I look forward to seeing what he has to post on the subject.

So they where 20 66% possible het pied females that he produced. Was that the full sample size or just the ones that produced clutches and failed to prove het pied this year? Where the males homozygous pieds from the same proven genetic line?

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LOL ... I'm sure when the time comes, Pete will provide the internet with answers to all of your questions ;) ... as I've said, it's really not my place to say. Alternatively, since you sound so curious, you could always pick up the phone???

I don't see why you would even ask if homozygous males were used? Pete has enough pieds that he doesn't need to screw around with het males. I also don't understand what you mean by "from the same proven genetic line"? ... Pete has more than conclusively proven that all of his original homozygous pieds are compatible as well as the new blood that has been brought in since he aquired his founding stock. You're not suggesting that anyone would be foolish enough to test for a marker and not use proven entities are you? What would be the point of that? Pete is a very bright guy, he knows what he's doing. ;)

-adam

If he where using old line markered possible het females to test out a new line of pied males for compatibility and you knew about it I didn't think you would volunteer that info. I would expect Peter Kahl to have a very good understanding of the marker by now and be beyond testing for it (by now he has either seen it well proved or not). Maybe this test was for something else (a new pied line, someone else’s marker look-alike import females, etc.). Sure I could just accept the implied message of everything you post but then in addition to believing that het pieds are no more likely to have the marker belly than non het pieds I would also believe that spiders are no more likely to spin than non spiders and that caramels are no more likely to kink than non caramels. Basically I don't trust your “say anything to protect the market” agenda.

Anyways... If there is a marker for Albinos, what it is? I'm not gonna bank any money on it, but I'll be curious to know, and maybe give me a ray of hope until I find out. Either way I know my chances are still 66%

I really don't think there is a marker for het albino. However, if there was, then they would not be 66% hets either way. If there was a reliable marker the ones with it would be a much higher chance and the ones without it a much lower chance.

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Basically I don't trust your “say anything to protect the market” agenda.

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So your theories are "untouchable"? .... Because I question you, I have an agenda? ... I say what I believe market or not ... Why do you make yourself out to be so righteous? What makes your theories "honest" and my challenges "disingenuous". You don't even know me.

Pretty arrogant of you Randy.

-adam