Fact or Myth?

Myth for me too.

My spider is the least defensive snake I have and the only time I almost got bit was one time he completely missed his rat on the tongs and ended up near my hand instead. No contact but a bit of a close call; I now use longer tongs, lol.

He accepts boops and gentle head rubs with virtually 0 reaction as long as there are no sudden/jerky movements. He did wobble slightly when he only ate live at the start, but he doesn't really wobble where his head shakes anytime else. Instead he just doesn't differentiate up from down while being held and moves completely upside down for half of it when circling an arm or something, but that's only when he's off of a solid flat surface. In his cage or on the floor he moves perfectly normally.

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Originally Posted by Lateralus_Love

I know it can’t have anything to do with the morph, but every spider or spider combo I’ve had has been an absolute doll to handle. I think it’s just because of the neurological issues that even those with a minuscule/unnoticeable wobble have.

So if anything, I’d say it’s the exact opposite of what that person told you lol. The only thing to look out for with spiders is if you plan to breed, you cannot breed two spiders together. It is one of the few genes that is deadly in homozygous form.

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OK, so dumb question. What happens if you do?

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Originally Posted by MR Snakes

OK, so dumb question. What happens if you do?

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I think you either get dead babies or the end up dying after hatching.

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Originally Posted by RickyNY

I think you either get dead babies or the end up dying after hatching.

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The dead snakes is IF you hit a Super Spider in the clutch, from what I read of people who had tried it.

From those, it seems any of the normal single-gene spider or non-spider babies are all ok. The Super form of spider is the lethal part. But yeah, they are usually stated as all white snakes either underdeveloped and died in the egg, or die shortly after hatching.

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My spider is the most chill/ best temperament out of all my snakes currently.

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Originally Posted by MR Snakes

I've been told by a local keeper of a few BP's to stay away from any with the Spider gene as he says they are very nippy and don't grow out of it. Is this true? And are there and other specific genes to stay away from when looking for pet first BP's? And lastly, any difference in temperament between males and females?

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http://www.owalreptiles.com/issues.php

This is something everyone looking into ball pythons should know about. It lets people know of the issues with certain morphs.

Morph	Issue
Spider	Wobble
Woma	Wobble
Hidden Gene Woma	Wobble
Champagne	Wobble
Super Sable	Wobble
Powerball	Wobble
Black Head x Spider	Masks the Spider's wobble
Sable x Spider	Difficult to hatch, severe wobble
Champagne x Hidden Gene Woma	Severe wobble
Champagne x Spider	Lethal
Pearl	Normally Lethal
Super Champagne	Lethal
Super Spider	Lethal
Desert	Female fertility issues
Caramel Albino	Kinking and female sub-fertility
Super Cinnamon/Super Black Pastel	Duckbill & rare kinking
Super Lesser Platinum/Super Butter	Bug eyes
Lesser Platinum x Piedbald	Small Eyes
Banana/Coral Glow	Males produce weird sex ratios

The whole reason I even got my BP (Cinnamon Spider) was because of how fantastic her personality was when I saw her at an expo. Calm, but not shy... inquisitive and almost “friendly” even though it seems ridiculous to say that about a snake. I go to her cage and I swear, if I say her name, she will poke her head out of her hide and stretch all the way to the glass and just stare at me then slowly slink back in lol. You can touch her anywhere, even right on the nose, do anything with her, and she doesn’t flinch.

That being said... while she doesn’t do the typical “wobble” and doesn’t have any trouble getting food.... she DOES sometimes get stuck “in a loop.” I guess it’s what one would describe as corkscrewing. Every now and then, I’ll see her out of her hide at night. Most of the time she acts like any other snake. But sometimes she’ll stay in one spot and just twist her head around all sorts of directions for longer than acceptable amounts of time... I’m not gonna lie, it’s unsettling to watch. But I’ve figured out if I just tap once the glass* it snaps her out of it and she goes back to normal. Almost like a reset button. Other than that, though, she’s awesome.



*under normal circumstances I would never tap on an animals cage...


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Another for myth. My BP has the spider gene and hasn't once tried to nip.

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Originally Posted by Skyrivers

http://www.owalreptiles.com/issues.php

This is something everyone looking into ball pythons should know about. It lets people know of the issues with certain morphs.

Morph	Issue
Spider	Wobble
Woma	Wobble
Hidden Gene Woma	Wobble
Champagne	Wobble
Super Sable	Wobble
Powerball	Wobble
Black Head x Spider	Masks the Spider's wobble
Sable x Spider	Difficult to hatch, severe wobble
Champagne x Hidden Gene Woma	Severe wobble
Champagne x Spider	Lethal
Pearl	Normally Lethal
Super Champagne	Lethal
Super Spider	Lethal
Desert	Female fertility issues
Caramel Albino	Kinking and female sub-fertility
Super Cinnamon/Super Black Pastel	Duckbill & rare kinking
Super Lesser Platinum/Super Butter	Bug eyes
Lesser Platinum x Piedbald	Small Eyes
Banana/Coral Glow	Males produce weird sex ratios

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Thank you, this is a BIG help!