My latest addition..

Honestly, although I'm sure we all prefer our charges to have "perfect" temperaments, I honestly try to breed for health and size, above everything else. I don't breed runts or difficult feeders. Course, if get lucky on genetics, and get an unexpected morph, color or pattern, it's just a bonus...Like I read one time, " you can take the animal out of the wild, but not the wild out of the animal." So in closing, I had rather have some that were somewhat ill tempered, with size and optimum health, than some that were extremely docile, but lacked health and vitality...Hope this makes sense..Thanks for all input...

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You really can take the wild out of the animal though...but it takes a while.
Optimum health & vigor, yesssss! :gj:

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Originally Posted by Bogertophis

You really can take the wild out of the animal though...but it takes a while.

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Wild animals will ALWAYS be wild animals no matter how tame they might be at times.

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Originally Posted by EL-Ziggy

Wild animals will ALWAYS be wild animals no matter how tame they might be at times.

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Where do you think dogs came from?

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Where do you think dogs came from?

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I'm not sure about the history of dog domestication but are you saying all wild animals are capable of domestication like dogs are? Can we therefore domesticate lions, tigers, sharks, or cobras? Do you know anyone with a pet gorilla, raccoon or badger? I'm not saying we can't have some level of peaceful interaction with some of these animals but I don't believe most wild animals are meant to be domesticated. Humans have captured, kept, and raised many animal species in captivity for centuries and not totally removed their wild nature and instincts nor should we. They were Born to be Wild and we should respect that.

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I'm not sure about the history of dog domestication but are you saying all wild animals are capable of domestication like dogs are? Can we therefore domesticate lions, tigers, sharks, or cobras? Do you know anyone with a pet gorilla, raccoon or badger? I'm not saying we can't have some level of peaceful interaction with some of these animals but I don't believe most wild animals are meant to be domesticated. Humans have captured, kept, and raised many animal species in captivity for centuries and not totally removed their wild nature and instincts nor should we. They were Born to be Wild and we should respect that.

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I was referring to selective breeding over time that results in a domestic version...and we agree, wild animals SHOULD remain wild...I think you misunderstood me or
I wasn't clear enough? But domestication doesn't always take as long as we used to think (according to some studies I've read). Personally I prefer that wild remains
wild, with just enough examples of "peaceful interaction" to promote the conservation of the species as a whole, without changing its essential nature.

And I know you responded to post #12 but I'm not sure you read post #10?

My bad Bo. I didn't mean to sound argumentative. I don't think we're in total disagreement :). It's mostly semantics. I don't believe we can/should "domesticate" most wild animals through selective breeding or any other process. I would love it if we could learn to live in harmony with them though. I think we agree that we can sometimes tame them without taking away their wildness.

OP- my apologies for derailing your thread. You have some gorgeous animals and I wish you the best with your breeding project.

No worries, I respect everyone's right to their opinion. Best regards to all...

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