Very uncertian about doing this.

Truth is, I don't see any true benefit for doing it so most likely will not happen. Was asked if I would be willing and wanted to get educated on the dangers both genetically and physically for her. My number 1 devotion is to her health and safety. Please keep in mind that I am reading many articles and would also talk to my vet before doing anything. Education, education, education......... Also She is at least 2 or more years away from being healthy and proper size to breed. A lot can change between now and then.

If I did say yes to doing it, to answer a few questions asked.

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Originally Posted by bcr229

I would not say yes or no yet. I would re-assess once the female gets some age and size on her. From the other thread, the owner of the sire is taking on the work of incubating the eggs and keeping/selling the babies; OP is simply getting paid per viable egg laid.

So here are some things I would consider before moving forward:
- Is there a good reptile specialist veterinarian locally who could deal with the female if she became egg bound or there were other complications? Who is responsible for that vet bill?
- How would quarantine be handled, both when the female goes to the male and when she comes back?
- Who pays to feed the female while she's out getting knocked up?
- Is the owner of the male close enough I could drive to his place fairly easily?
- If the female retains sperm who owns the eggs from the subsequent clutch?

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- Is there a good reptile specialist veterinarian locally who could deal with the female if she became egg bound or there were other complications? Who is responsible for that vet bill?
Yes I have a very good herp specialist here locally. I would have to care for any bills and needs of both her and the male.

- How would quarantine be handled, both when the female goes to the male and when she comes back?
The male would be provided to me at no cost. I would house, feed, and care for them both. I would own both.

- Who pays to feed the female while she's out getting knocked up?
Me.

- Is the owner of the male close enough I could drive to his place fairly easily?
He is 30 min drive from the house. Someone I have known over a year and half.

- If the female retains sperm who owns the eggs from the subsequent clutch?
Any and all eggs, offspring would be mine and my responsibility until he sells the offspring and I get 60/40 split profit. He provides the incubator and cares for the offspring after hatching. He sells them for me.

I ask questions because I want to learn. The more educated I am the better provider I will be. Just because I ask a question, doesn't mean I am walking that direction. It means I want to get educated!

Thanks everyone for advice given and will be given.

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Originally Posted by Skyrivers

Truth is, I don't see any true benefit for doing it so most likely will not happen. Was asked if I would be willing and wanted to get educated on the dangers both genetically and physically for her. My number 1 devotion is to her health and safety. Please keep in mind that I am reading many articles and would also talk to my vet before doing anything. Education, education, education......... Also She is at least 2 or more years away from being healthy and proper size to breed. A lot can change between now and then.

If I did say yes to doing it, to answer a few questions asked.




- Is there a good reptile specialist veterinarian locally who could deal with the female if she became egg bound or there were other complications? Who is responsible for that vet bill?
Yes I have a very good herp specialist here locally. I would have to care for any bills and needs of both her and the male.

- How would quarantine be handled, both when the female goes to the male and when she comes back?
The male would be provided to me at no cost. I would house, feed, and care for them both. I would own both.

- Who pays to feed the female while she's out getting knocked up?
Me.

- Is the owner of the male close enough I could drive to his place fairly easily?
He is 30 min drive from the house. Someone I have known over a year and half.

- If the female retains sperm who owns the eggs from the subsequent clutch?
Any and all eggs, offspring would be mine and my responsibility until he sells the offspring and I get 60/40 split profit. He provides the incubator and cares for the offspring after hatching. He sells them for me.

I ask questions because I want to learn. The more educated I am the better provider I will be. Just because I ask a question, doesn't mean I am walking that direction. It means I want to get educated!

Thanks everyone for advice given and will be given.

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Breeding loans, in general, make me very nervous. I've read many accounts of them going south even when people have thought they knew the person well.

If you do decide to go through with this, I would get everything in writing in a contract and get it notarized. I would also say documentation (eggs, offspring, etc.) would need to be very thorough. I'd also carefully document each hatchling with photo for ID purposes and have a list noting exactly what sex morph and have him sign (and even get it notorized) when you hand the hatchlings over for him to sell. I'd also want specifications on time-frame of selling, method, prices, and form of payment to you. If he is legit, he shouldn't have an issue with a strict contract, notorized photos / proof of offspring, etc. as that would protect both of you.

If I've read the above info correctly, the male would come and stay with you during the breeding process. You would need to quarantine before putting them together Would you actually "own" him afterwards or will he just be "loaned" to you (was not sure based on your response). Also, will the breeder be providing the male's cage / setup for you to use?

One other thing to consider is that possible vet bills could outweigh any profit you'd make.. Plus feeding the extra retic during breeding won't be cheap either. You said in your other response that you'd be responsible for the vet bills on the male also? it is not unknown for retics to get rough during breeding and medical attention to be required. This would be a lot of risk on you (financially). Also consider an aggressive male during breeding mode and having to transfer to cages, separate if they fight, etc. Hopefully you have 2-3 people that could help you with this should the need arise.

If it was me, I'd probably pass, but as you said, you've got 2 years to make up your mind. I'd use those 2 years to very carefully watch this breeder friend of yours and see how he handles business transactions, the condition of his animals, etc. I'm not saying he's a bad guy at all, but that will be enough time for you to get a good idea of how he does with business dealings and how he keeps his animals. It might also be wise to supervise a retic breeding and get experience handling aggressive adults between now and then. IMO, this breeding loan would leave you with most of the financial risk (actually all of it, save feeding the babies) so that is something to be considered.

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Originally Posted by artgecko

Breeding loans, in general, make me very nervous. I've read many accounts of them going south even when people have thought they knew the person well.

If you do decide to go through with this, I would get everything in writing in a contract and get it notarized. I would also say documentation (eggs, offspring, etc.) would need to be very thorough. I'd also carefully document each hatchling with photo for ID purposes and have a list noting exactly what sex morph and have him sign (and even get it notorized) when you hand the hatchlings over for him to sell. I'd also want specifications on time-frame of selling, method, prices, and form of payment to you. If he is legit, he shouldn't have an issue with a strict contract, notorized photos / proof of offspring, etc. as that would protect both of you.

If I've read the above info correctly, the male would come and stay with you during the breeding process. You would need to quarantine before putting them together Would you actually "own" him afterwards or will he just be "loaned" to you (was not sure based on your response). Also, will the breeder be providing the male's cage / setup for you to use?

One other thing to consider is that possible vet bills could outweigh any profit you'd make.. Plus feeding the extra retic during breeding won't be cheap either. You said in your other response that you'd be responsible for the vet bills on the male also? it is not unknown for retics to get rough during breeding and medical attention to be required. This would be a lot of risk on you (financially). Also consider an aggressive male during breeding mode and having to transfer to cages, separate if they fight, etc. Hopefully you have 2-3 people that could help you with this should the need arise.

If it was me, I'd probably pass, but as you said, you've got 2 years to make up your mind. I'd use those 2 years to very carefully watch this breeder friend of yours and see how he handles business transactions, the condition of his animals, etc. I'm not saying he's a bad guy at all, but that will be enough time for you to get a good idea of how he does with business dealings and how he keeps his animals. It might also be wise to supervise a retic breeding and get experience handling aggressive adults between now and then. IMO, this breeding loan would leave you with most of the financial risk (actually all of it, save feeding the babies) so that is something to be considered.

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Thank you. This was very helpful.

If in fact the deal is that you get to keep the male, I would include in the contract what happens if the female slugs out - or if she kills him (yes it happens).

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Originally Posted by artgecko

Breeding loans, in general, make me very nervous. I've read many accounts of them going south even when people have thought they knew the person well.

If you do decide to go through with this, I would get everything in writing in a contract and get it notarized. I would also say documentation (eggs, offspring, etc.) would need to be very thorough. I'd also carefully document each hatchling with photo for ID purposes and have a list noting exactly what sex morph and have him sign (and even get it notorized) when you hand the hatchlings over for him to sell. I'd also want specifications on time-frame of selling, method, prices, and form of payment to you. If he is legit, he shouldn't have an issue with a strict contract, notorized photos / proof of offspring, etc. as that would protect both of you.

If I've read the above info correctly, the male would come and stay with you during the breeding process. You would need to quarantine before putting them together Would you actually "own" him afterwards or will he just be "loaned" to you (was not sure based on your response). Also, will the breeder be providing the male's cage / setup for you to use?

One other thing to consider is that possible vet bills could outweigh any profit you'd make.. Plus feeding the extra retic during breeding won't be cheap either. You said in your other response that you'd be responsible for the vet bills on the male also? it is not unknown for retics to get rough during breeding and medical attention to be required. This would be a lot of risk on you (financially). Also consider an aggressive male during breeding mode and having to transfer to cages, separate if they fight, etc. Hopefully you have 2-3 people that could help you with this should the need arise.

If it was me, I'd probably pass, but as you said, you've got 2 years to make up your mind. I'd use those 2 years to very carefully watch this breeder friend of yours and see how he handles business transactions, the condition of his animals, etc. I'm not saying he's a bad guy at all, but that will be enough time for you to get a good idea of how he does with business dealings and how he keeps his animals. It might also be wise to supervise a retic breeding and get experience handling aggressive adults between now and then. IMO, this breeding loan would leave you with most of the financial risk (actually all of it, save feeding the babies) so that is something to be considered.

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This should be fun. I asked my friend about helping him out with his breeding projects this year. Going to get some hands on experience with moving them around and pairing them, etc. Is going to be fun. He has big girls and boys. Also he said I can help him with egg removal when it is time. He has one girl ready to pop any day now. Hope for good experience and education in the process.