Difference between a Ringer and Paradox

Bumping thread.

To me a Ringer is a when there is a small patch of the the normal pattern washed out with usually a white patch, but I had a yellow belly BP that had a yellow patch. A paradox is more of the appearance of another gene "leaking" through in patches in various degrees on parts of the body. Here are a couple extreme examples below of what comes to mind when I hear the names(none of the pictures below belong to me, they are a result of a quick Google search)




Paradox
https://imgur.com/gallery/Q5IVX



Ringer
https://ballpython.ca/portfolio-posts/ringer/

Pancake,

Your animal is a ringer.


As far as the difference between the two... Aztec's explanation is pretty close on.

A "ringer" happens when there is a total disruption to pigment deposition on the animal. This occurs in a ventral-to-dorsal manner and is most frequently (but not always) found on the distal half of the animal. Het Pied, especially when in synergy with certain other mutations (e.g., Champ, SuperBlk complex, etc.) does seem to have some correlation in the production of ringers however the presence of a ringer does not necessarily indicate an animal is guaranteed to be het Pied.

"Paradox" is an illegitimate term colloquially used in the hobby to describe any colour/pattern aberration that is outside the expected on a given animal. Examples of this would be an Albino with a patch of WT colouring on it or a Spider with a patch of WT pattern. It is usually the result of localized monoallelic mosaicism or chimerism but can also be the result of a handful of other strange genetic occurrences.

Ringer is a coloration change usually near the tail that most believe indicates the animal is het for a recessive.

Paradox = Birthmark, that's it.

Thank you @aztec4mia and @Asplundii for your answers! They are very helpful. ^^

i thought this was already settled here: https://ball-pythons.net/forums/show...aradox-or-Pied

i own ringers, paradoxes and pieds. your BP is a Pastel het Pied w/ a ringer. u have a lil bit of white and melted pattern there. u have a great looking animal w/ very strong het Pied influences. :gj:

Yeah, I was mainly wanting to know the difference between a ringer and paradox with this thread, though I realize I didn't make that entirely clear.

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Originally Posted by Pancake's Momma

Yeah, I was mainly wanting to know the difference between a ringer and paradox with this thread, though I realize I didn't make that entirely clear.

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it's just confusing/redundant b/c u are still using your BP for confirmation/affirmation. i'm sorry the breeder misled u but glad the larger community has been able to help u figure out what she is. she is really pretty tho. i like her ringer and reduced pattern.