Opinions on my first pairing

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Originally Posted by StillBP

Umm how exactly do you think to make black eyed luecistics out of this combination. Black eyed luecistics are super fire. Or super sulfur. You can make a pied blue eyed luecistic. But you would not ever know that it was pied as it would be totally white

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Actually a black eyed luecistic is any animal that is completely white with black eyes. The term luecistic just refers to lacking all pigment regardless of the gene that causes it. A certain percentage of lesser pieds are all white with black eyes. In fact they are reported to be even more white than most incomplete dominant luecisticso, and have less genetic disorders. I would bet you would be able to identify a bel pied under black Light.

Thanks for your input Jordan, while not directly on topic it is still very useful to me. I am definitely trying to become acquainted with the local market, but it is rather small compared to other areas of similar size.

Also thanks lizardlicks and Albert, this gives me more confidence in producing some hets.

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Originally Posted by Ax01

most Lesser Pieds and Super Lesser Pieds are all white with black eyes/red pupils and the term is kinda used loosely here i guess. here's my girl Ruby. :)

https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...%2FTBxXZE9.jpg

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?????Super Lesser anything with black eyes???? I would not have expected that??????

Is the pied male or female? If it's a female I wouldn't move forward with that pairing, I would seek out a male pied combo. If the pied is male I'd be okay with that pairing. In my opinion, a pied female is too valuable to be used to make those hets at this point.

I agree with you Dave, but the female is the kingpin and male is the pied. She is also the only female I have of breeding size.

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Originally Posted by JodanOrNoDan

?????Super Lesser anything with black eyes???? I would not have expected that??????

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has any one produced a Super Mojo Pied? i wonder if the Pied gene turns the eyes of Blue Eye Lucy's black/red. :confusd:

I don't know, if any was has, they'd have to have taken the time to prove it out most likely. It's a really good question though!

I found this interesting picture of a supposed super lesser pied that shows clear differences in white coloration, unfortunately it does not show the eyes.
http://www.morphmarket.com/us/c/rept...-pythons/43478

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Originally Posted by AntTheDestroyer

Actually a black eyed luecistic is any animal that is completely white with black eyes. The term luecistic just refers to lacking all pigment regardless of the gene that causes it. A certain percentage of lesser pieds are all white with black eyes. .

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I know that lesser pied can be all white. But saying a luecistic is any all white animal is like saying all snakes are the same. You can have a all white pied. I have seen this. No color and it is only pied no other genetics. It is not a black eyed luecy. It is a pied. Also lesser pied are not always all white.

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Originally Posted by StillBP

I know that lesser pied can be all white. But saying a luecistic is any all white animal is like saying all snakes are the same. You can have a all white pied. I have seen this. No color and it is only pied no other genetics. It is not a black eyed luecy. It is a pied. Also lesser pied are not always all white.

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The definition of luecistic is lacking any pigment, which is true of a all white snake. I would even argue that a super fire that has yellow spots is not truly luecistic. The term is not a hobby term and has nothing to do with particular genes but the lack of pigment in an animal. When I said that a percentage of lesser pied are all white it was an acknowledgment that not all are all white.

Leucism (/ˈljuːkɪzəm/;[1] or /ˈluːsɪzəm/[2][3]) is a condition in which there is partial loss of pigmentation in an animal resulting in white, pale, or patchy coloration of the skin, hair, feathers, scales or cuticle, but not the eyes.[1] Unlike albinism, it is caused by a reduction in multiple types of pigment, not just melanin.

If you are using this terminology you can argue that pied, ghosts and several other morphs are intact luecistics. And that super Mojave and lesser aren't And be technically correct. This is where confusion in this hobby comes from. Terms being added that are not what they should be. To me a lesser pied is a lesser pied and a black eyed luecistic is super fire because that is the terms this hobby uses. You can call it whatever you want but if you do choose to sell any make sure that your buyer knows exactly what genetics made what you sell. Not chastising just most people call a super fire a black eyed luecy and a lesser pied a lesser pied.