Scaleless Project

Oh, I forgot to mention that based on the NERD videos I'd be much more inclined to go for the micro scale stuff. Some of those microscale animals are just insane

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Originally Posted by kxr

Oh, I forgot to mention that based on the NERD videos I'd be much more inclined to go for the micro scale stuff. Some of those microscale animals are just insane

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Now I do know that the microscale are missing their supralabial heat pits while Scaleless Heads are not. Could be what another person posted about. They are thought to be different in phenotypically but many think they do fall in the same complex.


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Originally Posted by MidSouthMorphs

Now I do know that the microscale are missing their supralabial heat pits while Scaleless Heads are not. Could be what another person posted about. They are thought to be different in phenotypically but many think they do fall in the same complex.


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Has a homozygous multi scale even been produced? I could see why people would think that they are in the same complex but imo they are definitely different morphs.

From what you mentioned the heterozygous scaleless head acts as an enhancer. That's the main reason why I like the microscale stuff. I haven't noticed it on the scaleless head animals (although I haven't looked at many) but those microscale are on fire! They also look like they'd have a different texture to them being softer and smoother despite still having scales. Almost akin to a leatherback beardie.


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Originally Posted by kxr

Has a homozygous multi scale even been produced? I could see why people would think that they are in the same complex but imo they are definitely different morphs.

From what you mentioned the heterozygous scaleless head acts as an enhancer. That's the main reason why I like the microscale stuff. I haven't noticed it on the scaleless head animals (although I haven't looked at many) but those microscale are on fire! They also look like they'd have a different texture to them being softer and smoother despite still having scales. Almost akin to a leatherback beardie.


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They are indeed different morphs, much like Fire and Vanilla. Here is a pic belonging to Florida Reptile Ranch on the contrast of SH to non-SH. The non-SH pin on top and SH pin on bottom.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...2574eb1a92.jpg


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So what does the belly look like on these guys? I have become so confused on these guys. Are there belly "markers". That SH pin does look hot to me and I work a lot with pins.

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Originally Posted by MidSouthMorphs

They are indeed different morphs, much like Fire and Vanilla. Here is a pic belonging to Florida Reptile Ranch on the contrast of SH to non-SH. The non-SH pin on top and SH pin on bottom.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...2574eb1a92.jpg


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I'm not a fan of the scaleless head's head (as stupid as that sounds) but it definitely is an enhancer. The scaleless head almost looks enchi to me. It makes me really want to see a scaleless head enchi.


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My opinion about any selective breeding has always been it is fine as long as the animal doesn't suffer. The moment you realise breeding a species of animals, any animal, for certain traits is harmful you should stop. But my understanding is scaleless ball pythons are just as healthy as those with scales. Maybe they would be more vulnerable in the wild but as they are kept as pets it doesn't matter. By that logic people shouldn't be allowed white rabbits, rats etc because they would be more vulnerable in the wild.

Take a common pet for example, dogs. The King Charles Spaniels have been selectively bred so much their heads are often too small for their brain causing the brain to push on the skull causing pain, illness and death in many animals. That is wrong and those that continue to breed the dogs for those traits should be ashamed of themselves but if a pedigree dog breeder breeding a different type of dog has not come across any health issues in breeding their pedigree dogs I don't see a problem with it.

The same should apply to snakes as long as it doesn't cause them pain or suffering.

Although I think it's pretty cool, I'm not itching to have a scaleless snake.