An interesting read

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Originally Posted by Deborah

You would be surprise, as someone who sell animals and answer potential buyer questions I can tell you that the story is not that surprising. That's when "I reserve the right to refuse a sale" comes into play ;)

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This is honestly one of THE BIGGEST FEARS I have for when I start having clutches. I've settled in the idea that im just keeping every single last one of them or gifting them to friends I trust100%/trading with reliable people.

I don't breed because I would quiz people interested in buying my animals and if they didn't pass my quiz I'd refuse the sale, lol.

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Originally Posted by Lotix

This is honestly one of THE BIGGEST FEARS I have for when I start having clutches. I've settled in the idea that im just keeping every single last one of them or gifting them to friends I trust100%/trading with reliable people.

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You basically have to hope for the best and in most cases people have done research and you can tell, by the first email exchange and if it does not seem right you just don't sell to the person. I do not do this for a living, I am not depending on this to pay bills so I have no pressure to sell to anyone unless I want to.

This year I refused a sale to a young woman that wanted to know what we was the best deal I could give her on a 1.2 Het Pied (all hatchlings), I answered with a quote, and she proceeded to tell me that she was hoping to pay less because she just had spent ton of money on a 100 gallons tank. That obviously was an issue, I ask her if she realized that those were hatchings and that they should be housed individually in a much small enclosure and sent her a caresheet, and her answer was "I though they were adults".

If someone ask to buy an animal and at the same time proceed to ask how you take care of them I will also refuse the sale for the time being. If people are not willing to do the leg work and do some research prior to buying an animal that is a problem to me. I am not requiring people to be expert but demonstrating that you care and want to provide the best environment by researching the animal you are about to purchase is important to me, more important than a sale and spoon feeding the information.

I am also lucky to sell to forum members which is a good thing as you can tell a lot, and whether you want to sell to them or not.

The other thing people forget about snakes is that regardless of what emotions they do or do not feel, since they are not social animals they do not have any reason or mechanism for communicating anything about their mood or their needs to other individuals. And likewise, they have no ability to interpret signals like that. They don't alert each other when predators are near or when they've found a good food source, and they likewise wouldn't know how to interpret a signal like that. The only body language they use and are able to interpret are things like threatening a potential predator or rival male, and signaling receptiveness to mating.

So we are left with trying to interpret what they need or want based solely on reactions that really aren't signals at all; when we are extremely social creatures who are primed to see social signals in absolutely everything. When we see another person sitting on a bench staring off into space and not doing anything, we automatically start drawing conclusions about their mood whether we realize it or not. We intuitively make assumptions like that even about animals whose body language is different from ours, even inanimate objects. Look no further than all that Grumpy Cat stuff on the internet, which is entirely because someone's cat's face just happened to be shaped in a way that resembles a human facial expression that we associate with grumpiness, even though we all know very well that it doesn't mean anything of the sort on a cat.

That's not to say that we can't learn to interpret our snakes' behavior, recognize signs of stress or curiosity, hunting, "food mood", and provide them with opportunities to express a variety of behaviors. But anthropomorphizing is tempting because our brains are hardwired to expect social signals and to expect that others can interpret ours; and because snakes are just not wired to give them to us. So we read what our brains expect to see rather than what we're actually looking at, just like how we tend to see faces in clouds and ink blots.

"When he was thirsty, he told me"
....What? Lmao [emoji23]


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This is one of the saddest things I have ever read :(

I lost a couple brain cells reading that. I try to give Sammy the best care I can offer him, reading that just DISGUSTS me. I lost faith in humanity, again.:colbert:

Reading that was PAINFUL.

They killed their pet because they willfully ignored any care advice they were told or read. They outright stated they read what was proper and instead they did what they wanted to do regardless of the outcome.

"Leaped into my arms". Really? A ball python? Leaping? Are we certain they didn't own a frog? Because they don't. But then they also can't tell us when they're thirsty or hungry and that's probably why the snake never looked to be a healthy weight in any of the photos. The idea that a healthy snake has "shiny scales" and the pet was HAPPY so it was still shiny even when it was dying is so ridiculous that I audibly snorted while reading it.

So much wrong. Hauling that poor animal around for so long, it was cruel and completely uncalled for.

This gal was a nut case lol. I do believe snakes learn to recognize their owners and accept that we wont hurt them so they let us carry them around. But honestly I think they view us as "The Rat God" and/or "The funky Moving Warm Tree that sometimes drops rats". Don't get me wrong, I too take all my gals outside during the summer and let them hang out on me in the sun but that's about it. I don't go driving with them, take a shower or bath with them or take them out to dinner and a movie and then come home and cuddle with them lol. I'm waiting to read a blog of an owner who tried to have a intimate relationship with their snake lol. Now that would be a read. I can see the first line..."I tried to make love to my 8' boa and she bit my Johnson and coiled it like a bald rat and I had to call 911!!" lol.

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Originally Posted by Sauzo

This gal was a nut case lol. I do believe snakes learn to recognize their owners and accept that we wont hurt them so they let us carry them around. But honestly I think they view us as "The Rat God" and/or "The funky Moving Warm Tree that sometimes drops rats". Don't get me wrong, I too take all my gals outside during the summer and let them hang out on me in the sun but that's about it. I don't go driving with them, take a shower or bath with them or take them out to dinner and a movie and then come home and cuddle with them lol. I'm waiting to read a blog of an owner who tried to have a intimate relationship with their snake lol. Now that would be a read. I can see the first line..."I tried to make love to my 8' boa and she bit my Johnson and coiled it like a bald rat and I had to call 911!!" lol.

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That was a gal?? :$