first live mouse

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Originally Posted by doobysnack

lol i have no problem feedign live i just liek prey killed better.

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Thats what is all about:)....

The only problem that ever arises in these type of discussions is when someone says feeding live is WRONG. I consider that giving out bad information(and alot of others do too). Personally, I feed p/k and f/t because I do not have the time to properly feed live. I made that responsible decision, but there are many people out there that do not. Instead of saying 'live feeding is wrong', learn the proper methods of feeding live and educate people that do not know any better. If you hear of someone feeding improperly, tell them what they are doing wrong or suggest other methods.

ha ha....rant rant rant...i need to stop :)

....ha.....remember, they eat live in the wild not p/k or f/t...these animals were built to take down live prey :D

EDIT: Just a thought, why doesn't someone type up an article on the proper methods of feeding live prey items and put it in the articles section....

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Originally Posted by daniel1983

EDIT: Just a thought, why doesn't someone type up an article on the proper methods of feeding live prey items and put it in the articles section....

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I've actually been working on one for a while now for the journal section of my website (be more than happy to share it here as well) ... it's just that between hatchlings, new web site design, life, and blah blah blah I just haven't had the time to finish it up! .... I'm finally getting some help at the shop now though so maybe it'll be done soon!

-adam

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

I've actually been working on one for a while now for the journal section of my website (be more than happy to share it here as well) ... it's just that between hatchlings, new web site design, life, and blah blah blah I just haven't had the time to finish it up! .... I'm finally getting some help at the shop now though so maybe it'll be done soon!

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ha ha....you sound busy :) good luck in all the new stuff

...oh boy, hatchlings... :D

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Originally Posted by daniel1983

...oh boy, hatchlings... :D

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Looks like you're set for a 4th of July baby! ;) We'll talk next week for sure!

-adam

ohhhh ditto on the hatchlings!


~~Jo~~

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

You shouldn't give out bad information. Live feeding can be perfectly safe if done responsibly.
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-adam

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Exactly...but it can be harmful too...and not everyone is "responsible" when they feed live. My information is not bad information. Just google about the topic and I am sure you can find lots of horror stories, about snakes getting hurt very badly from live feeding. Also, feeding f/t is much safer beacause if the rodent has ant sort of disease, freezing normally kills it (depending on what it is). The person I got my Corn snake from fed live, and didn't even watch. She has some bites on her sides. The first time I offered her f/t she ate it. Yes, there are some advantages of feeding live, but IN MY OPINION, feeding f/t or p/k is much healthier and safer for your snake. We could go on and on about it... The point is, I believe in feeding f/t or p/k...and you feed live. We are both right...to some extent. ::NOTE:: you said it "Can be safe if done responsibly". Well with p/k even if you mess up, your snake doesn't get hurt. I am not going to say even if you mess up with f/t, your snake doesn't get hurt, because you can burn you snake if you don't thaw the rodents out correctly.

thanks for the replies i ahvent been on in a while. and yes its the coolses t thing ever.


my take on the live. prekilled and f/t thing is this.
live: the snake is intinctually trained to kill live, so try to get it food it can kill easily with out harm to itself. my bp takes down live small mice like a champ. AND i WATCH him do it everytime, jsut to be on the safe side.

prekilled: or half killed as i usualyl do it. all the ease of live, non of the risks with scratches, if any. whack the mouse on a hard surface (no the tank, itll scare the snake) untill its twitchy and jsut set him in the tank, Sal took that one down like a champ too.

F/T: jsut make sure not to over heat it or underthaw it. a frozen rock in a cold blooded animal can be harmful, im willing to bet, kinda like brainfreeze to us. but to get my bp in the feeding mood, set the mouse under the heating lamp ontop the screen, ove rthe tank, about 5 minutes after i did that, Sal popped his head out of the hide probably cuz he could smell it. after the mouse was warm enough, set him insied the tank, a little zombie twitches with a chopstick, and ::SNAP:: and curl. funny thing was, Sall was curled around him alot longer than he would around a live one, thinking it wasnt dead yet.... thought was was amusing, thinking to myself " oh cmon it was already dead, just eat the d-mned thing."

so now i know he will go for anything. and im happy


interesting side note:
Sal stays in his hide alot, from what i can see, but hen i get home and turn off the lamp round 8 pm every night, he likes to come out and play. so i bring him out, and notice hes alot smoother and such, so i look in his hide and he shed, but the wired thign is, that it was a complete shed, not one little piece still on him, and theres only reptibark and the smooth inside of a cerial bowl inside the hide. dont they need like rough corners and such to help shed the skin. it was in one big piece too. thoguht that was interesting.....

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Also, feeding f/t is much safer beacause if the rodent has ant sort of disease, freezing normally kills it (depending on what it is)

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What diseases? Rabies? Cardiomyopathy? Pinkeye? :) Sorry, got a little carried away there... Snakes do not get internal parasites from rodents. Most parasites are species-specific and will not be passed onto another species. Snakes get parasites from unclean conditions where there is feces everywhere as well as other snakes present in the enclosure. If one has it, they will all get it.

Plus, freezing does nothing to kill parasites anyway. It will usually just put the ova and adult parasites in a dormant state until the animal is thawed out again. But regardless, snakes cannot contract parasites from rodents, so whatever the method of feeding the snake, it will be safe(unless it is in an uneducated manner-leaving the rodent in the not hungry snake's cage for 3 days with no food or water....)

I was told it would kill any type of RI. And definetly the pinkeye :rolleyes: I did say IMO...meaning no one had to argee with me.......

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Originally Posted by Simplest_Mistake

Exactly...but it can be harmful too...and not everyone is "responsible" when they feed live. My information is not bad information. Just google about the topic and I am sure you can find lots of horror stories, about snakes getting hurt very badly from live feeding. Also, feeding f/t is much safer beacause if the rodent has ant sort of disease, freezing normally kills it (depending on what it is). The person I got my Corn snake from fed live, and didn't even watch. She has some bites on her sides. The first time I offered her f/t she ate it. Yes, there are some advantages of feeding live, but IN MY OPINION, feeding f/t or p/k is much healthier and safer for your snake. We could go on and on about it... The point is, I believe in feeding f/t or p/k...and you feed live. We are both right...to some extent. ::NOTE:: you said it "Can be safe if done responsibly". Well with p/k even if you mess up, your snake doesn't get hurt. I am not going to say even if you mess up with f/t, your snake doesn't get hurt, because you can burn you snake if you don't thaw the rodents out correctly.

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Yes, we could go on and on about it, but we won't ... do what you must, you sound like you've got this ball python stuff all figured out ;) My only point was that you said ...

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Originally Posted by Simplest_Mistake

You shouldn't be feeding live mice :( Very bad for your snake.

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Who are you to tell people what they should and shouldn't feed their snakes?

And yes, it IS bad information to say that it's "very bad for your snake".

When you made that statement, you did not state it as opinion, you stated it as fact ... and it is false.

-adam