Super Champagne Question

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Originally Posted by JodanOrNoDan

This is some interesting stuff. I was totally unaware of it. If I had to bet I would have said the this group of genes were allelic however I did not think there was a way to prove it. I didn't realize blackhead was involved in the mentioned grouping. This changes my though process a little.

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Yeah it's a really weird combination of genes in that it virtually negates both genes in a sense. There are distinct markers that distinguish a normal to a black head spider now that people know more about the combo, but it's still really weird that it even happens. A bumble bee black head doesn't look like a regular pastel though so there's that.

So, by what I am reading, not only is it a visual muting of the genes, the blackhead spider does not wobble. But when the black head spider produces a spider without black head the wobble is back. Time to get a black head and play. I have a killer bee female that needs a friend.

Champagne is a weird gene. I know sable mixed with the others generally create fatal births. I have two sable champagnes and they're perfectly healthy. No wobbles at all. So who knows I wish we'd of got more information about the Pearl but it doesn't seem worth the risk as the babies could die if you hit a super champagne.

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Originally Posted by Naraku

Champagne is a weird gene. I know sable mixed with the others generally create fatal births. I have two sable champagnes and they're perfectly healthy. No wobbles at all. So who knows I wish we'd of got more information about the Pearl but it doesn't seem worth the risk as the babies could die if you hit a super champagne.

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What about the champagne killerbee made in 2015. Can we get an update on it? Or does anyone know how it's doing?

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/mo...ne-killer-bee/

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Originally Posted by Bpsinked

What about the champagne killerbee made in 2015. Can we get an update on it? Or does anyone know how it's doing?

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/mo...ne-killer-bee/

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Best way to get an update is to contact the breeder directly Reptile-concept.fr

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Originally Posted by Bpsinked

What about the champagne killerbee made in 2015. Can we get an update on it? Or does anyone know how it's doing?

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/mo...ne-killer-bee/

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I'd highly advise against this breeding for the same reasons as was mentioned above. Even spotnose (which has a viable super form) when combined with spider produces unfavourable results. http://www.worldofballpythons.com/mo...ider-spotnose/


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Originally Posted by kxr

I'd highly advise against this breeding for the same reasons as was mentioned above. Even spotnose (which has a viable super form) when combined with spider produces unfavourable results. http://www.worldofballpythons.com/mo...ider-spotnose/


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I've heard conflicting reports on this one coupled with my own research on the spotnose spdier combo. According to Ben Renick, the spider spotnoses aren't any different from regular spiders in terms of loopiness. Also Ben Renick's spider combos don't look as wacked out as the leopard spotnose spider combos. I've also seen something called the nitro ball which is a bumble bee spotnose which looks closer to the leopard spider spotnoses justin has made. What I think happened in those cases are some sort of incubation or developmental issue. Or there could be somethinh weird who knows. I do know for a fact the powerball spider fails to thrive so we can rule out them being allelic.

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Originally Posted by Seven-Thirty

I've heard conflicting reports on this one coupled with my own research on the spotnose spdier combo. According to Ben Renick, the spider spotnoses aren't any different from regular spiders in terms of loopiness. Also Ben Renick's spider combos don't look as wacked out as the leopard spotnose spider combos. I've also seen something called the nitro ball which is a bumble bee spotnose which looks closer to the leopard spider spotnoses justin has made. What I think happened in those cases are some sort of incubation or developmental issue. Or there could be somethinh weird who knows. I do know for a fact the powerball spider fails to thrive so we can rule out them being allelic.

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Maybe it's just me being overly cautious but even before reading that I was kinda opposed to mixing neuro morphs. What Justin said confirmed my suspicions... Regardless of if that information is accurate I'd avoid breeding neuro morphs together. Something about it doesn't sit right with me.


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