Re: Het PieBald - Markings?
Robert, can you describe the "Marking Traits"
Also, can you hopefully share a picture of it?
Thanks.
Re: Het PieBald - Markings?
He did share a picture of it. The "marker traits" are a clean belly with a thick, dark border on both sides.
Re: Het PieBald - Markings?
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Originally Posted by xdeus
Interesting. Is there a possibility that the markers are just a co-dom gene that are following the Pie gene?
It's not likely due to the frequency of het pied clutches with no markers at all present.
-adam
Re: Het PieBald - Markings?
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Originally Posted by RandyRemington
... not very accurate ...
Good point Randy ... you da man!
Buying possible het pieds (with or without markers) from a reputable breeder gives you a much better shot than buying "markers" from someone shady.
Remember, you get what you pay for!! :D
-adam
Re: Het PieBald - Markings?
Gorgeous snake Robert -
Thanks Marla for telling me -
It loaded REALLY slowly for me, and I have dsl. :eek:
Re: Het PieBald - Markings?
So Adam, are you thinking it's the pied gene it's self causing the marker then? Hard to nail down as the frequency of markered het pieds seems too high to be co-incidence but the low frequency of unmarkered hets is still too high to ignore.
To me the marker just looks so much like the start of pied creeping up from the belly that I suspect it’s the pied gene causing it but those pesky unmarkered hets keep it from being fully co-dominant.
Re: Het PieBald - Markings?
Actually, I feel that the marker is a pattern anomaly that can be present in all ball pythons much like banding, blushing, faded heads, and high white outlines around the brown saddles.
About 70% of the het and possible het albinos that I produce each year have the "het pied marker" .... 50% of the 40 ch females that I bought last year also have the "het pied marker" … And last year I produced a number of het caramels that had the marker as well.
From my experience, it seems like it is something that can possibly be bred for even without the presence of pied genetics.
It seems like every couple of years there is some type of “marker” rumor circulated about a given morph … at one time it was albinos, then it was hypos, then axanthics, now it seems to be pieds and clowns …. But no one has ever said .. “I’ve bred x number of animals with and x without and here are my results” …. It’s always “well, it seems like x% or I think it is x” ….. I’m just having a hard time buying it and probably won’t until I see it breed true with my own eyes.
-adam
Re: Het PieBald - Markings?
So where you selecting for the marker in the ch? I've seen nowhere near that rate of what I consider the marker in any group other than possible het pieds. Maybe you are defining the marker looser than what I am. Are the edges solid and strait and well separated (close to 3 full white scales between)?
Re: Het PieBald - Markings?
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Originally Posted by RandyRemington
So where you selecting for the marker in the ch?
Nope, that's how they were shipped to me.
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Originally Posted by RandyRemington
Maybe you are defining the marker looser than what I am. Are the edges solid and strait and well separated (close to 3 full white scales between)?
Yes, I know what "the marker" looks like. Pete is right up the road from me. Perhaps you are not privy to a large enough sample of ball pythons to see how common it can be?
-adam
Re: Het PieBald - Markings?
The few hundred I've looked at here could be well picked over for the mark by they time I see them. However that would beg the question as to why someone is bothering. Would you go as far as to say that known het pieds don't have a bias over non het pieds toward having the marker? If there is any significant tendency for het pieds to have the marker more than non hets, then what's up with the marker and the pied gene?
