Finally...

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Originally Posted by ECechoHO

SORRY to all the people i "argued" with on this site, I'm FINALLY pointing in the correct direction because i want at least 1 Pied out this clutch i wanna start in the mating season this year FINALLY got the right equip to help me in my task...

Apology accepted. Keep your passion for what you want alive, that is really whats important. You will never stop learning and researching in this hobby/ industry. Good luck! :)

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All I was trying to do is APOLIGIZE for my mistakes on this site, NOT all the negative I'm getting from some.... New snake in my life and I'm HAPPY and wanted to share with yall but to NO avail the NEG comes out from people that's NOT me and are NOT living my life, so keep that to YOURSELVES....

It doesn't look like you have any hides in those enclosures... You really should look into putting some in. Just a cheap plastic flower pot bottom with an opening cut into it will work, but if they don't have anywhere to hide and really feel secure they'll be stressed. If you want to breed, you don't want stressed snakes. That can lead to them refusing to breed or complications once the female is gravid. Fake plants like what you can get from walmart laying on the floor of the cage make the snakes feel safer as well.

Also, your third snake is het pied right? Your others are normals. Lizardlicks already mentioned this, but there is NO WAY for you to get pied by breeding a het pied with a normal. ALL of the babies from that litter will be normals; that is 100% certain. Of those babies, only half will be het pied like the parent, and there is no way to tell which ones have this gene just by looking at them. To get a pied, you'd have to take one of the het pied babies (keep in mind you won't be able to tell which babies are and are not het pied), raise it, and breed it back to the het pied parent. If you did that, 25% of the babies from that litter would be pied, 50% would be het pied but look normal, and 25% would be completely normal (and again you won't be able to tell which are het pied and which are normal).
I just wanted to reiterate this, because I don't think you'd want to be stuck with a litter of babies that you can't sell (As the market is, a possible het pied is going to basically be treated as a normal, so the max you'd get would be $40-60 for one. Plus, most people who are buying normals are getting them from pet stores and not really looking at private breeders).

Not trying to be a buzzkill, but it's just genetically impossible to get what you're hoping for by pairing those snakes together.

EDIT: I didn't realize your new snake was a pastel. The genetic stuff I said is still the same, but 50% of the babies should be pastel and 50% normal looking. Still no chance for pieds though.

ALL I'm asking for is POSITIVE feedback when a person might or is doing wrong in this case, my female gotta be HET something, all white till it gets to her exit area.. So that's why I feel the way I do about breeding her to my new addition....

It just gota be het it has to be for something...........people have and are activly trying to help you........but you have to open your eyes and want to actually learn or people give up have fun trying to sell normals and pastels if you get that far

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Originally Posted by ECechoHO

ALL I'm asking for is POSITIVE feedback when a person might or is doing wrong in this case, my female gotta be HET something, all white till it gets to her exit area.. So that's why I feel the way I do about breeding her to my new addition....

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Your female looks like a normal to me, but even if she is het for something, that won't get you a pied. You might end up with babies that have patterning or belly spots similar to hers, but they'd still have to be sold as either normal or pastel 50% het pied. Being het for something else, those genes just won't connect up with the pied genes from your male. To get a pied the baby has to get a copy of the EXACT same gene from both parents.

I'm not going to tell you to breed or not to breed, that's all up to you, just saying what you're going to be looking at if you do breed them. Also, I saw the pics of the pied male. Very cute little guy.

If you did not purchase your animals as being marketed as het for a SPECIFIC recessive gene, it doesn't matter how fancy you think their butts are, you more than likely have a NORMAL. Clean normals happen, that is a thing you know. And even if it IS het for SOMEthing, you can't just pick a het of a random morph you want and roll the dice. To get a visual you need to pair like with like. If you want to make pieds, my advice is get another 100% het pied or even better get a visual pied and pair it with you pastel het pied. That way you know for certain what the genetics are, and you KNOW you have a chance to hit a pastel pied (which are killer animals, I love them).

Seriously, if you were trying to make a souffle, you'd look up the recipe and follow it, not just throw in random ingredients then cross your fingers and hope. Breeding for morphs is no different. Put quality in, get quality out. Put in crap and... well. Hope you like turd sandwiches.

Hey, seems like you are missing out on a little bit of information. Let me explain. I am not being negative, I would like you to get the best results out of your pairings and to understand how this works.

In order to get piebald ball pythons you need 2 piebalds. Whether they both are piebald visual, or piebald hets. They are a recessive gene meaning you have to have both to get piebald babies.

Piebald x piebald = piebald
Piebald x normal het piebald = Piebald
Normal het piebald x normal het piebald = piebald
Normal x Normal = Normal
Normal x Normal het pied = normal
Normal x piebald = normal het piebald

It cannot be "het for something". For example, I have a clown ball python which is also recessive and I also have a piebald. If I were to breed my piebald to my clown all the babies would come out looking normal but end up a double het for clown and pied but no, I would not get pied or clowns out of them.

Markers are NEVER a good way to determine whether your snake is het for something. I have a male spider het pied that does not at all have pied markers, but his father was spider 100% het pied while his mother was visual pied. I have a guaranteed 100% het pied. I have a normal that is just a normal female, she does have the "pied markers" but she is not pied at all.

This works with all recessive morphs. I know you are excited to pied out of your pairings, but I am really sorry, you have to have a female and male pied or het pied for it to happen.

Here we go again.....

You purchased a pastel, that's great, at least you are adding some sort of genetics to your collection of NORMAL ball pythons. He may be Het. for Pied, but that female you have is a NORMAL, and will be nothing more than a NORMAL ever, period. You say she looks special, but if you've done any research over the last 4 months of not being on this forum, you will know that NORMAL ball pythons have 100's of different color and pattern variations, but they are still NORMAL.

And for the love of god why do you still have the two that everyone has begged you to separate still together?! Especially in that dingy nasty old TV stand. Has your financial situation improved at all since the last time you posted? Or is "Times still hard"? If that's the case why on earth are you adding another snake to your collection, when you do not have a steady income to care properly for your animals.

When you do finally start to breed in September/October, like when you intend to, you do realize that the 490 gram male you just purchased on July 15th. http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...46#post2365346 Will still be underweight, and probably shouldn't be bred out for the sake of his health and well being? And should probably still be in quarantine because September is what? Only a month and a half away? Do you even have a proper quarantine procedure going on? Or are the old snakes right next to the new one? Or do you still just plan on making money, and not care?

I see that you revived an almost 6 year old thread about Het. Pied Markers: http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...-photo-s/page3. You state that "My female is clear all down her belly until around the EXIT area, she's gotta be a het SOMETHING cuz obviously a clear belly means something, I'm just saying....."

But you do realize that a Het. Pied will normally have an almost railroad track looking black pattern on its sides that will go up on both sides of the animal? If you have a snake with an absolute clear belly, it means that she is not Het for pied, and is a NORMAL. And if there is a small chance that she is het for something you DO NOT and WILL NOT know what it is. It could be Pied, Albino, Axanthic, Clown, the list goes on and on and on.

I'm going to reiterate this for the 100th time, but I feel as though I'm just wasting my breath and time. If you by the grace of god, end up with babies, do you have any good way of housing them? Last time you posted you lived in a small apartment, so what are you going to do if eggs go full term and you end up with 4-8 little babies? Are you going to just throw them all in one cage like you have with your NORMALS? Or are you going dumpster diving again to find another piece of old furniture to turn into a husbandry nightmare of an enclosure?

For those other forum posters who believe I am being too harsh with this poster, here are some of his old threads from a few months back. I urge you to read them, because you will all quickly learn that he just does not listen, or just does not care about the well-being of his animals, and is just plain ignorant.

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...22318-Question

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...php?222537-Why

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...hat-i-realized

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...-New-Enclosure

Original poster, we have tried to help you, multiple times, you refuse to listen to us and you retreat and just call us negative. We may not be the nicest people in the world, but when it comes to the health and well-being of the Ball Pythons that we care so much about, there is no better bank of knowledge then this website, and we are willing to help any and everybody who needs it. You just have to get rid of your ignorance and realize that what you are doing is wrong, and work your ass off (like everyone else here has done) to fix your mistakes before you do something really stupid.

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Now she has to be HET something.. And that's the type talk I don't like I care for ball pythons just as much as the next person so how would you feel if someone told you how to raise your kids, my BABIES(ball pythons) is the only type animal that I break bank to maintain just like a person with a BABY so I hear what yall SAY but until you live in my shoes TRY NOT to bring personal thoughts if a person is doing something wrong and also WE DO NOT LIVE IN THE SAME AREA/STATE so temps/humidity matter and I'm working on that...