Silly Spinnerblasts And Other Spider Morphs

What's a wobble snake? Sorry I'm clueless*


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Originally Posted by emmitoot45

What's a wobble snake? Sorry I'm clueless*


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It's a neurological thing connected to a handful of ball python morphs. Most noticeably in spiders, but also in womas and champagnes. I suggest youtube for research.

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Originally Posted by anicatgirl

I appreciate the nice responses guys. I just love pretty much all animals (even the ones who bite me) and I want to understand. I feel that youtube is not a great place to find out. How severe is it, usually? I know some are worse than others, but what's general behavior like?

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Well Gio (lesser bee) is pretty bad with it. If I hadn't researched the wobble some before I got him, he would have corkscrewed right out of my hand when I first took him out of his shipping box. It's also totally normal to catch him doing a little dance in his tub (imagine holding a cooked noodle so part of it hangs down and twirling it in slow circles) or sitting in a tight little coil with just his head in the very center sticking straight up. He eats fine and was a real champ with breeding (he only eats frozen, his equilibrium issue makes me not trust him around live food). On the other hand, my bumblebee doesn't seem to wobble at all. She has a very quiet nature and doesn't move around much except when it's feeding time, which she handles just as well as any of my other juveniles (they all take live, because that's what I have on hand). That isn't to say she doesn't wobble, only that if she does it's so subtle that you can't tell right away.

It's also important to note that every single spider (and the other genes, to a lesser extent) have a wobble. It may be like my bumblebee and show no immediate signs of it, but the wobble is attached to the gene and therefore always present when those genes are. There also seems to be no indication of what kind of wobbler a parent will produce (my gio can produce barely-noticable wobblers, while my bumblebee can produce trainwrecks).

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Originally Posted by lizzy_troy

I love your question and I'm glad you asked!

To be honest, I laugh at YouTube videos of wobbly snakes. Yes, I know it's sad, but it's also pretty funny. My guy is really entertaining, and therapeutic, actually, because he is a "special needs" snake (as my mom put it). I have adhd and sensory processing issues, as do two of my children, and his movements remind me of the struggles we adhd'ers face. My son will occasionally watch tv upside down on the couch.

I guess the wobble is sad, in a way, but I don't see it as a bad thing, and it doesn't bother me. It's just different. He doesn't appear to be suffering in any way. It's like the fainting goats; their muscles tighten when they get excited or scared, they fall over, then get back up and go about their business, their quality of life not affected at all. I laugh at them, too. You would be surprised at how many domesticated or captive bred animals have genetic issues as part of the package deal.

As long as the snakes do not appear to be suffering or living a reduced quality of life, I see nothing wrong with continuing using then in breeding projects.

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I was going to weigh in, but this is exactly my opinion. :)

I have a spider and a mojave bumblebee. I've never noticed any wobble with the bee, but my spider has a moderate wobble. He doesn't corkscrew, but he will jerk his head quickly from side to side. I've yet to capture it on video, but it's pretty funny. We say he's "janking out", and call him Janky from time to time. He eats f/t and has never had any issues (aside from being a picky brat, but that's unrelated - if he DECIDES to eat, then he eats just fine).

I have a jungle jag carpet that when feeding does a head bob not too bad but noticeable to me. It took a lot of research before I bought him just to be okay with it because I did feel sorry for the ones that have the bad wobble. Now that I have one you I wouldn't change him for the world. just have to be careful who you buy from. Has anyone every heard of boas having Neuro challenges. I have a boa and never notice anything out of the ordinary.

i have a bumblebee with enough wobble for me to refer to him as my "short bus snake".

he still looks awesome, but as far as breeding, i don't think i'll use him, because as bcr229 said, i'd feel bad if a baby with terrible wobble was the result

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Originally Posted by se7en

i have a bumblebee with enough wobble for me to refer to him as my "short bus snake".

he still looks awesome, but as far as breeding, i don't think i'll use him, because as bcr229 said, i'd feel bad if a baby with terrible wobble was the result

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Keep in mind; the severity of the wobble in the parent hasn't been shown to have any effect on the severity of the wobble in the offspring. I'll post about it in more detail after I've actually hatched out the clutch sired by my own short bus snake (big girl's due to drop soon).

I also have a bumble bee with a really bad wobble...I watched mine for 30 min doing 360 in his cage.

I just recently received a year or so old Spider Ball from my husband as a gift and my husband and I honestly had no idea about this wobble until I stumbled upon a thread on here mentioning it last night. Sure enough, I look over and Apollo has finally come out of his hide after his light goes out and he's rolling his head around and looping upside down like crazy! I sort of felt sorry for him and was sort of worried about getting this new snake and finding out after he has a neurological disorder, but the more I've come to terms with it, the more I love him for it. He's still settling so I'm curious about finding out what will trigger this wobble and how bad he'll have it as he grows. The wobble almost makes him more special to me. :)

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Originally Posted by Daigga

Keep in mind; the severity of the wobble in the parent hasn't been shown to have any effect on the severity of the wobble in the offspring. I'll post about it in more detail after I've actually hatched out the clutch sired by my own short bus snake (big girl's due to drop soon).

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i am aware of that, but i still do not want to take the chance.

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Originally Posted by se7en

i have a bumblebee with enough wobble for me to refer to him as my "short bus snake".

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Pffffft, hahaha!!