ball python sight and hearing.

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Originally Posted by Brandon.O

People are animals ???


Personally, i dont think people are animals, i just dont like thinking of myself like that, i dont believe in evolution or anything like that.Animals are animals and people are people in my opinion,I believe god created the earth and the "Big Bang" theory is just a load of poo.

Just my 2 cents, kinda off topic, sorry

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Brandon:

Biologically speaking (evolution and religion aside, ain't no way i'm getting into that trap), we are animals. End of story. These labels are based entirely on our biological make-up (i.e., our vital organs, etc), not how our sociological behavior. It doesn't matter if you're talking about an ape, a whale, or a human, they're all animals, mammals specifically.

Reptiles are a classification of animals. They are animals. Mammals are animals, fish are animals, birds are animals, amphinians are animals, and reptiles are animals. And crustaceons, and arachnids, and insects.

Where in the bible is evolution explicitly denied?

I think the problem with the bible or any other religious text is that it is open enough for interpretation that certain interest groups are able to make of them what they want and push their interests onto others.

Originally, people denied that the earth revolved around the sun and used the bible to support their claim. We all know now (or at least I hope so) that the earth does indeed revolve around the sun, and that the bible was quoted out of context in that case.

It is possible for there to both be god and evolution. Microevolution in itself is verifiable. We do it all the time with ball pythons when we breed morphs. Macroevolution is a bit tougher to prove outright, but I don't think it's any coincidence that Chimpanzees and Humans share 99.4% of the same DNA. Not to mention, Chimpanzees are tested to have the equivalent IQ of a 4 year old child.

I mean after all, if it really did completely start with Adam & Eve, and incest is prohibited, shouldn't there be no sex at all even for procreation purposes since it would always be incest? Although I do not believe in god, I believe there are many wisdoms in religious texts like the bible. I think there's room for both faith and reason, and denying the latter only leads to fanaticism.

By Hurcules, this is getting into an area that I promise none of us should go. It is a forever unreconcilable argument, kind of like fighting between the peoples of the middle east, I am not even including this "war" :P I don't think we are on this site to convert people, there are other, more appropriate, venues for that. By "convert" I meant either and of the spectrum. There are times and places for that, and they have to co-incide. This is not the place. Insults and anger are for the weak and immature, which I know none of us are.

I personally think that anybody that cannot see the glaring similiarities between humans and the Great Apes is deluding themselves. Humans are really nothing more than a highly developed primate - a hominid. All this religious nonsense about how humans are supposed to be these wonderful little godlets "created in Gods image" is really a load of #@#!

The truth is that the majority of the human beings on this planet are incapable or simply do not want to face the truth of their existence. They prefer to stay in a fairy world and read their comic books ( the Bible ) because it makes them feel all warm and fuzzy inside. I myself am not a warm and fuzzy guy...Im a stone cold atheist.
EyeLashViper

And this all started with a question about bp sight and hearing... ;)

EyeLashViper, I know where you're coming from. I have to be around alot of those kinds of people every single gosh-darned day, but it's ok, no one has died yet :) I am a Satanist, and love the teachings of Anton LaVey, he is an awesome guy to listen to. And I hope you are warm because if you weren't, you would be kind of dead. And fuzzy since guys are, well, fuzzy... LoL
But anywho.
About the snake, I think they can see the flash of heat that turning on the lamp creates, and they undoubtedly can remember things, day/night cycles, the goings-on of their day. About the hearing, they cannot "hear" but can sense vibrations, as our ears do, and might be able to convert that into some sort of sound waves, like the auricles(bones) in our ears do. Who knows, they may just be able to pick up on sound waves and be able to differentiate them as to what is making that sound (our voice, someone else's voice, stereo, etc.)

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Originally Posted by hhw

Originally, people denied that the earth revolved around the sun and used the bible to support their claim. We all know now (or at least I hope so) that the earth does indeed revolve around the sun, and that the bible was quoted out of context in that case.

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actually the flat world theory was only a european thought. the rest of the world (at the time) knew the world was round. the indians, aztecs, myan's egyptians, chineese, and so forth have always known it was round. and show in it in history. why do you think the myan and aztec calanders were round.. they knew what was up.they also developed the 28 day calnder which is far more accurate to our man made clander (the 28 day calnder was based on solar cycles that they observed).
poor mis-informed europeans. only the masses in europe were fooled into thinking the world was flat, and the sun revolved around them. they also belived the same kings and religious leaders who said only they can speak directly to god. if you look at history, i will point out 4 figures that lived the exact same lives.
first there was mythra, the ancient greek god, then horus the egyptian god, and then krishna, (all before the story of jesus) and jesus. all were born to a virgin mother, all crushed the head of a serpant, and all were crucified. all died for 3 days then rose again, and all of these god raised someone from the dead in front of the masses. if you do not belive me then read your history books. christianity is just a recycled myth passed down from history.
In the end the need for order out of chaos and fear of the unknown is what drives people to accept something rather then question and seek out on their own the answers.
if you want some proof, and an interesting view of history and the origins of religion watch tis video.
http://www.pharmacratic-inquisition..../pharmacratic/

but back to the point at hand... PYTHONS ROCK!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by kontron

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Originally Posted by hhw

Originally, people denied that the earth revolved around the sun and used the bible to support their claim. We all know now (or at least I hope so) that the earth does indeed revolve around the sun, and that the bible was quoted out of context in that case.

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actually the flat world theory was only a european thought. the rest of the world (at the time) knew the world was round. the indians, aztecs, myan's egyptians, chineese, and so forth have always known it was round. and show in it in history. why do you think the myan and aztec calanders were round.. they knew what was up.they also developed the 28 day calnder which is far more accurate to our man made clander (the 28 day calnder was based on solar cycles that they observed).
poor mis-informed europeans. only the masses in europe were fooled into thinking the world was flat, and the sun revolved around them. they also belived the same kings and religious leaders who said only they can speak directly to god. if you look at history, i will point out 4 figures that lived the exact same lives.
first there was mythra, the ancient greek god, then horus the egyptian god, and then krishna, (all before the story of jesus) and jesus. all were born to a virgin mother, all crushed the head of a serpant, and all were crucified. all died for 3 days then rose again, and all of these god raised someone from the dead in front of the masses. if you do not belive me then read your history books. christianity is just a recycled myth passed down from history.
In the end the need for order out of chaos and fear of the unknown is what drives people to accept something rather then question and seek out on their own the answers.
if you want some proof, and an interesting view of history and the origins of religion watch tis video.
http://www.pharmacratic-inquisition..../pharmacratic/

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*slowly backs away from thread* :shock:

Kontron, what has anything you've said have to do with quoting the bible out of context, balancing faith with reason, or evolution?

And if we really want to get into history, in the earliest iterations of Christianity there were two gods and Mary was not a virgin mother; Jesus had older siblings. Therefore, the commonality of the virgin birth, crushed head of a serpent, or revival after 3 days can easily be attributed to the adaptation of new religions to pre-existing beliefs. So the myth in itself wasn't recycled but adapted to be that way.

I beg the pardon of anyone who finds any of the information in my posts offensive. My intention was not to call into question religion, but rather to suggest that religion and science can coexist, most notably in the case of creationism/evolution.

As I quoted from National Geographic in an earlier thread, 45% of U.S. adults believe that "God created human beings pretty much in their present form at one time within the last 10,000 years or so". In order to cling to such a belief, one would pretty much have to refute all archaeology, paleontology, and anthropology. The evidence for evolution is pretty compelling; there should be no doubts whatsoever on microevolution as we can witness this first hand through selective breeding. In several debates I had in college over evolution, it is normally macroevolution rather than microevolution that is refuted. However, genetic research is more and more strongly supporting macroevolution as well.

37% do believe that there is room for both God and evolution. I personally feel that this percentage would be much greater if more people were better informed.

If one denies evolution after reviewing all the information and that person disagrees with the sources of that information, that is perfectly justified. However, denying evolution without actually looking at any of the information available is simply ignorance (this is not an insult , but simply the definition of the word).

Anyway, like I've previously said, there is nothing wrong with faith, only fanatical faith and the division between the two is the emphasis on reason.