Husbandry vent

I'm not against trying new thing or experimenting. Definitely nothing wrong with that. With that said, the Africa argument is getting old.

I have two dogs yet they don't scavange for food because they're my pets and it's my responsibility to feed them. Same thing with temps. Is there health benefits to keeping the temperatures in high 60s/ low 70s? If there is, I don't see it. Additionally, it's a lot harder to keep humidity up with low temps. I guess my question is, what's the benefits?

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Originally Posted by Mr. Misha

I'm not against trying new thing or experimenting. Definitely nothing wrong with that. With that said, the Africa argument is getting old.

I have two dogs yet they don't scavange for food because they're my pets and it's my responsibility to feed them. Same thing with temps. Is there health benefits to keeping the temperatures in high 60s/ low 70s? If there is, I don't see it. Additionally, it's a lot harder to keep humidity up with low temps. I guess my question is, what's the benefits?

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There is no argument the temps are what they are. You mean to tell me it is best to change temps to what we feel is right and not try to reproduce what they are naturally in? Cooler temps makes it easier to keep humidity because the light doesn't need to be on drying the tank out. Do you keep your dogs in temps of 80-90 all day 365 days a year? Give a snake the proper hot spot and they will regulate themselves. They have been doing it long before we were ever around.

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Originally Posted by bondo

However it is broke lol I still stand with a night/day cycle is not needed. I also still say 80 is too high of an ambient temp.

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Be careful how you word this, just because it works for you doesn't mean it will for others. 75 degrees in a drafty house is going to likely cause a RI in my opinion. And newbies who see that may think that a 75 room temperature with no supplemental heating is ok. I've seen way to many RI cases on here from temps in the mid to high 70's. 75 cool side is okay with some colubrids but IMO not ball pythons. I like to be safe then sorry and keep my ambient at 82ish.

I have a PVC enclosure running a RHP so I don't have a problem with lights/heat source drying out my enclosures. Additionally, the warmer it is the easier it is to keep humidity up.

I'm not going to start on the comment about the dogs because your question is completely irrelevant and not very thought out whatsoever.

You still haven't answered my question regarding the benefit of keeping temps that low. I don't mind learning something new but your argument is "because Africa".

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Originally Posted by Mr. Misha

I have a PVC enclosure running a RHP so I don't have a problem with lights/heat source drying out my enclosures. Additionally, the warmer it is the easier it is to keep humidity up.

I'm not going to start on the comment about the dogs because your question is completely irrelevant and not very thought out whatsoever.

You still haven't answered my question regarding the benefit of keeping temps that low. I don't mind learning something new but your argument is "because Africa".

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You brought the dogs up so I spun it back to you. I DID answer the question of benefits it is their natural temps. All reptiles need a way to regulate their temps. With 80 ambient and 90+ hot they can only do so much. If you ever wanted to breed you would have a very tough time at those temps. The reason why is because those temps are hotter then they are use to. Otherwise they would breed ovulate and have very few slugs at those temps. However that doesn't happen at those temps because they are getting cooked.

Well first of all, if you're going to go there, my dogs aren't cold blooded so I don't need to keep them at 80 ambient temps. Lol...

Your answer to me is "because Africa".That's not an answer, nor are we in Africa. 78-85 ambient temps recreate optimal temps for BPs. I'm sure that larger breeders on this forum will chime in that they keep their collections at one steady temps of around 84 if not a bit higher.

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Originally Posted by bondo

I DID answer the question of benefits it is their natural temps.

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Southern Ghana's natural temps:

• Average temperatures between 74-91 (rarely below 70 or above 94)
• Average high of 89 and average low of 77 during the warm season (March-April)
• Average high of 82 and average low of 75 during the cold season (July-August)

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Originally Posted by Mr. Misha

Well first of all, if you're going to go there, my dogs aren't cold blooded so I don't need to keep them at 80 ambient temps. Lol...

Your answer to me is "because Africa".That's not an answer, nor are we in Africa. 78-85 ambient temps recreate optimal temps for BPs. I'm sure that larger breeders on this forum will chime in that they keep their collections at one steady temps of around 84 if not a bit higher.

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YOU brought up the dogs. Wow. Ball pythons originate from Africa yet their natural temps don't matter. That makes sense.

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75 cool side is okay with some colubrids but IMO not ball pythons

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9 years at 75 on the cool side during the cooler months (breeders and hatchlings) and ZERO RI in 9 years. :gj:

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Originally Posted by Eric Alan

Southern Ghana's natural temps:

• Average temperatures between 74-91 (rarely below 70 or above 94)
• Average high of 89 and average low of 77 during the warm season (March-April)
• Average high of 82 and average low of 75 during the cold season (July-August)

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Bangui, Central African Republic

The warm season lasts from January 23 to March 18 with an average daily high temperature above 93°F. The hottest day of the year is February 9, with an average high of 94°F and low of 69°F.

The cold season lasts from June 20 to August 27 with an average daily high temperature below 87°F. The coldest day of the year is January 3, with an average low of 65°F and high of 91°F.