what a genetics gaurantee should look like

I was agreeing with you, no soapbox needed. I get the feeling the others were also in agreement that a guarantee is nice but its not the most important thing. Which again I understand you're saying as well and were just showing it as an example of what one should or could look like.

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Originally Posted by andyroof1979

I repeat...


seems like a lot of people on this forum read the first 2 lines of a post and glance at a picture then start preaching. Lighten up a little

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OR.... maybe you need to learn not to take other peoples 'preaching' (ie: opinions) so personally.

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Originally Posted by C2tcardin

I was agreeing with you, no soapbox needed. I get the feeling the others were also in agreement that a guarantee is nice but its not the most important thing. Which again I understand you're saying as well and were just showing it as an example of what one should or could look like.

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Sorry about that, yes you agreed they were nice to have. Didn't mean to lump you in.

What I got was the others saying that they don't mean squat, and not to count on them. Sorry about that

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Originally Posted by MarkS

OR.... maybe you need to learn not to take other peoples 'preaching' (ie: opinions) so personally.

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Or you should not say something is worthless when it is not and read the whole post....especially when the last line states it is simply something to look for when dealing with unknown sellers.

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Originally Posted by andyroof1979

Or you should not say something is worthless when it is not and read the whole post....especially when the last line states it is simply something to look for when dealing with unknown sellers.

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And Touchy touchy aren't we, there is a difference between soapbox and adding to the subject and if you do not want people to comment maybe you should not post :rolleyes:

You tell people that this is what they should look for when buying hets from unknown breeders, I tell them they should buy from a reputable breeder (does not mean big breeders).

Wouldn't you hate for people to buy animals because someone told them that is what they should look for when in fact there is more to it than paperwork. :confusd:

If the seller is unknown doesn't that make the paperwork useless or close to it? If I don't know the seller a stack of paperwork wouldn't make me any more comfortable. I'll stick with people I know and/or trust.

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I know this person and don't need the piece of paper, her word is good, however when dealing with unknown people this is something to look for.

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That a piece of paper is something you should look for from unknown sellers is your opinion. My opinion is it doesn't mean squat more than me personally marking in my record book the supposed genetics of an animal I just hypothetically bought. I'd probably be more skeptical of an unknown seller throwing out paper work because it's the easiest thing to fake. The integrity of the person, and piece of paper, will reveal itself in time when dealing with such situations. I just don't see how a piece of paper changes anything. It's a nice touch but the sense of security it provides is purely psychological. The seller is going to back up their genetic guarantee or not, the paper has nothing to do with that in my opinion.

That said, when I start selling hets they will come with paper work but I still don't think people should give that any weight when making a purchase. I'll be printing 2 copies for each sale, one for me and one for the buyer. I'll be doing this for my own protection so I can verify an animal actually came from me if someone ever makes a claim.

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I know this person and don't need the piece of paper, her word is good, however when dealing with unknown people this is something to look for.

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Originally Posted by MarkS

They're only worth the paper their printed on (well, not entirely, they're also worth the reputation of the breeder) I know several instances of people spending good money on a het WITH impressive looking paperwork and never producing the morph.

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Originally Posted by andyroof1979

Or you should not say something is worthless when it is not and read the whole post....especially when the last line states it is simply something to look for when dealing with unknown sellers.

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OR.... you could actually notice that I agreed with you on that part. Talk about not reading the entire post...

I like to give and get records and papers with the snakes. Papers doesn't means someone cannot scam you, but I cannot agree that always buy from a reputable breeder. Their don't need any paper, cause you trust them anyway, but it's a good point for a beginner if he give some written document near his words to prove what I get. Everyone take the first steps unknown and without reputation, what he needs to build up.

I wish this thread didn't turn out this way. I was just showing an answer to a question i have seen here a few times.

I never once said to only buy animals that come with papers. Simply said something to look for.

I didn't ask for these papers, they were handed to me, though i always like getting the feed card along with the animal.

People dont always anticipate what animals/ vendors are going to be at an expo, however being a regular vendor i can usually weed out the less desirable vendors/ breeders.

If i was checking out a new show and found 2 people with the same het that i wanted and could find no other way to pick...animals both good quality, breeder knows their stuff, priced the same, but only one had the feed card and paperwork, they would most likely get the sale.

I was just trying to be helpful and contribute a good example of something to LOOK for, not take as the holy grail. Sorry to any offended.