Follicle growth/stages ..

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Originally Posted by T_Sauer

I have considered this earlier when I started pairing my stock and still had no visual Caramel Albino male to pair with her. However I ruled out the Hypo Spider male due to the spider and caramel genes both having hereditary issues .... The pied male, well that's still an option I just don't really wanna get stuck with a clutch that I'm going to have a hard time getting rid of.

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Pieds sell though. Even het pieds sell fairly easy cause almost everyone wants one...

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Originally Posted by Viol8r

Pieds sell though. Even het pieds sell fairly easy cause almost everyone wants one...

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I may actually throw the pied male in with her .... I got her from a pet shop and while they say she is a Het. Caramel Albino I am skeptical as she has markers on her underside that I think resemble the train track markers that I have seen many ppl post about Het. Pieds having .... Or do many snakes have those tracks and a lot of ppl just reference that if the pied gene was in the pairing that the ones with those markers are more than likely the ones that got the gene?

If you are using her for a special project it would be best not to pair her at all this season. On the slim chance of retained sperm after laying a clutch last season is still present, you would just funk it all up again by pairing her and leaving the chance of retained sperm again even if she does lay a clutch this season.

If you want "A" clutch pair her. If you want "THE" clutch wait ;)

She's not for a specific project, it's one of those "girlfriend went to the pet shop alone and came home with a Het. Caramel Albino because she looked up caramel albino on world of ball pythons and loved the look of them" situations. .... So, if I do decide to pair the pied with her, and she gives me a clutch and the successfully go full term. How sure could I be that the clutch would be Het. Pied being that I am suspicious of retained sperm due to the size of her follicles already after not yet being paired?? Last thing I want to do is sell someone a "Het. Pied" and then that not be the case because of the retained sperm that may be present .... I would ofcourse make it right with them, but at the same time that is going to be someone waiting for 2 to 3 years for their Het. Pied to reach maturity only for it to not prove out .... I know such an event would frustrate me ..

Just a thought....

What genes do the previous owner work with?

If he paired her then he, also, must have had this discussion.

If he had any male visual or het caramels he may very well have chosen that as a project.

Throwing any male of yours in with her might actually be counter productive.

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Originally Posted by dr del

Just a thought....

What genes do the previous owner work with?

If he paired her then he, also, must have had this discussion.

If he had any male visual or het caramels he may very well have chosen that as a project.

Throwing any male of yours in with her might actually be counter productive.

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That Unfortunatly I am not aware of and the shop has since closed. But I do know a breeder that is friends with the guy who owned the shop, and I am pretty sure that the shop got the female from a breeder that they dealt with on a regular so I could probably find out without to much hassle

If bred to your pied they would be 50% het. I don't know the percentages on retained sperm though.

caramel genes both having hereditary issues

What is the issue with caramels ?

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Originally Posted by Paul's Pieds

caramel genes both having hereditary issues

What is the issue with caramels ?

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kinks

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Originally Posted by T_Sauer

She's not for a specific project, it's one of those "girlfriend went to the pet shop alone and came home with a Het. Caramel Albino because she looked up caramel albino on world of ball pythons and loved the look of them" situations. .... So, if I do decide to pair the pied with her, and she gives me a clutch and the successfully go full term. How sure could I be that the clutch would be Het. Pied being that I am suspicious of retained sperm due to the size of her follicles already after not yet being paired?? Last thing I want to do is sell someone a "Het. Pied" and then that not be the case because of the retained sperm that may be present .... I would ofcourse make it right with them, but at the same time that is going to be someone waiting for 2 to 3 years for their Het. Pied to reach maturity only for it to not prove out .... I know such an event would frustrate me ..

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The only way you would know for sure you produced 100% Hets is to pair a virgin, or pair a proven female to a male with a gene she has not been paired to before.

ie.... I have a 0.1 Super Pastel that laid eggs to a 1.0 Sugar Fire last season. She was paired to a 1.0 Enchi Pied this season. Anything that has Enchi is surely a 100% Het Pied as she has never been paired with an Enchi in the past. Anything she throws that does not have Enchi I would consider a possible Het. I would avoid selling any non-Enchis as 100% Hets. It's just not prudent business to sell them as 100% Hets. Even true 100% Hets may not produce a visual for several years. I'd rather sell a 0.1 Pastel from the clutch as a PH than a 100% Het and give the buyer a "bonus", or possibly hold her back to prove her out myself.