What is the most humane way to "brain" a rat?

Co2 is cheap dirty and ineffective for humane inert gas asphyxiation. If you don't use argon or nitrogen it is cruel. There is no other way to look at it. Science has no opinion. This is going to be one of those terrible topics I must choose to grit my teeth over. The world is flat. Evolution never happened.

Controlled atmosphere killing (CAK) or controlled atmosphere stunning (CAS) is a method for slaughtering animals such as chickens by placing the animals in a container in which the atmosphere lacks oxygen and consists of an asphyxiant gas (one or more of argon, nitrogen or carbon dioxide), causing the animals to lose consciousness. Argon and nitrogen are important components of a gassing process which seem to cause no pain, and for this reason many consider some types of controlled atmosphere killing more humane than other methods of killing.^[8][9] If carbon dioxide is used, controlled atmosphere killing is not the same as inert gas asphyxia, because carbon dioxide at high concentrations (above 5%) is not biologically inert, but rather is toxic and also produces initial distress in a number of animals.

On topic. I hold the animal by its tail and swing It hard and fast with a quick jerking motion at the wall. Try to focus all the inertia on the neck for its breaking point. Time from out of box to unconscious and being consumed is less than 5 seconds. I can link up 100 different sources about how using Co2 is terrible. AVMA recommends it because it is cheap. They don't have to source anything but c02. Which is cheap. Effective sure but so is a whole list of things other than choking them to death after the seize up from a panic attack. I already got in trouble for discussing this to the Super moderator. Facts are facts. Nazis used pure co2. Ya know, because it's humane and all.

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Originally Posted by Foolish1

I already got in trouble for discussing this to the Super moderator. Facts are facts. Nazis used pure co2. Ya know, because it's humane and all.

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Not sure what my Super Mod status has to do with anything???? I am a member and always will be trust me you will know when I post as a mod ;)

You got into trouble really what is that supposed to mean? Oh wait because I call you out on your methods? You call that getting in trouble...careful when making accusations in public you better be able to back them up.

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Nazis used pure co2

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Again comparing apple and oranges we are talking about rats and proper Euthanasia methods per American Veterinarian association. And again CO2 is effective and very human when done properly, I can't help it if you are not capable of comprehending that it is humane.

At this point in the last month I have seen you chase away so many people and jump down their throats. I am not causing problems. I literally just want to discuss fact vs fiction. Ask anyone who knows chemicals, bio Chem or even plain physics. Co2 is cruel. Apples and oranges. We are discussing any oxygen breathing creature being force-fed co2. Every encounter between us Deb makes me want to leave this community. I am an active member of probably 20 forums. Never have a single issue. I can give you my usernames for everywhere. I haven't had a single issue like this. As much as I want to leave here because I instantly get scolded, I feel like I have information to share. Sauzo knows about the Mr Buddy heater now. I wanted to leave 4 days ago, glad I didn't because maybe he will save his snakes now one day in the future because of my post. Funny enough in the thread about heaters guess what the main concern was.

Asphyxiation from co2.

Does this have to be my final post? I honestly just wanted to contribute what I knew to be true after days of research.

This is supposed to be a community board. Stop making it personal. I know that 15 year old girl was stubborn 3 days ago. But we chased her away pitchforks and torches style. Maybe everyone needs to step back from the keyboard. Nobody is helping when they turn it personal.

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Originally Posted by Foolish1

This is going to be one of those terrible topics I must choose to grit my teeth over...Nazis used pure co2. Ya know, because it's humane and all.

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Pot - meet kettle. Any credibility you hoped to gain was instantly lost when you started comparing anything in this hobby to genocide. Seriously...

I say in trouble because out-of all the moderators who have seen my post. You gave me an infraction. Nobody else did. It's like when you are mean to a cop one night drunk. I am on your list now.

While reading about inert gas asphyxiation for animals it brought up the introduction of using argon and nitrogen from now on. Nazi doctors used pure co2. Veterinarians and doctors have since discovered if you use argon or nitrogen it is a painless death. All I was saying is that information changes over time. What might have been done in the past is no way what we shoukd do now. I support inert gas asphyxiation if the proper elements are used at the right ratios. I wasn't just trying to bring up Nazi for shock value. I have been looking into this for days. When the original discussion happened in started reading endlessly to figure out if what I thought was true or not. I love being wrong. That is just a chance to learn about being right.

Wasn't bringing up genocide. I was using an example of organic creatures being administered co2. I apologize if people took offense to that. I was just giving examples of when co2 was used improperly.

I just searched the forum for AVMA and spent awhile reading it. I'm interested in learning more about this even if it doesn't really apply to me atm.

I'm not averse to educating myself on all aspects of the animals I keep. I just thought mentioning the experiences of people who regularly work with CO2 chambers might be of interest. Sharing that doesn't come from being uneducated or unwilling to do my own research, it's just the accounts of people who would have no reason to lie about it.

Since this thread kind of took a different direction since I last posted, I'll just say I believe Deborah when she says CO2 chambers can be used effectively and I'm kind of disheartened by that fact that, from what I've heard they may not always used that way in professional settings.

I never disagreed it doesn't work. The science says pure co2 causes shock stress choking and convulsions. I guess I try and think of what would I want. To be choked to death or have my brain stop sending signals instantly.

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I say in trouble because out-of all the moderators who have seen my post. You gave me an infraction. Nobody else did. It's like when you are mean to a cop one night drunk. I am on your list now.

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Wow, do you realize how many warnings and infractions I give on a weekly basis? I hand them out to people I agree or disagree with, to customers, friends, even to paying members and people who pay to advertise here.

You are no one special sorry, you're just another member I disagreed with (trust me there are quite a few) who now plays the victim card because I so happen to also enforce the rules....laughable.

I guess now I can't infract people who I disagree with anymore, that's gonna put me out of my mod duty for sure. :rolleyes: