hets that you proved out

Ok cool. Well hopefully my girl proves out when she is ready to breed.

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Originally Posted by Gerardo

I am going to get a possible het soon and was curious to see how many of you proved out possible hets of any morph. If you could please show pics that would be appreciated.

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This year I am proving out some PH Pieds that I produced and held back.

http://i954.photobucket.com/albums/a...014Cl03_01.jpg

http://i954.photobucket.com/albums/a...014Cl03_03.jpg

http://i954.photobucket.com/albums/a...014Cl03_04.jpg

I have two more clutches in the incubator so we will see if they prove or not (not many eggs so it might take another season)

This year I am holding back some 100% Het Hypo 66% PH Pied and I am confident that they will prove ;)

When it comes to PH Pied hold back it is a safe gamble IMO

I know about the "train tracks" for het pied but is there other markers for het pied? Also how do you generally pick who to hold back as possible hets of other morphs?

a few recessive hets have markers. some het pieds (not all) have the railroad tracks, and some het clowns (not all) have some subtle signs in the pattern. these are the ones i know.

generally, recessives have absolutely no markers. none at all. how do you pick them? you pick the "normals" that look the best. or you pick based on the extra genes, or based on the quality of the extra genes. apart from that it is pure luck.

i think the following have absolutely no markers, and it is pure luck: albino, caramel, axanthic, hypo, lavender albino, candy, toffee, ultramel, genetic stripe. i could be wrong about one or two, i would not be very surprised if i would be wrong about genetic stripe.

so generally its pure luck. you cannot pick them out based on any markers when they are none, and thats generally the case.

An update like I promised.

So, so far 2 poss het lav clutches have been cut 1 proved out and gave me 3 Lavs.


Super happy I have 2 more clutches from poss Hets cookin can't wait to see the results.

Just off the top of my head and only counting females I've proven (in some cases the males used to prove them where also possible hets):

0.2 50% chance het albinos (0.2 didn't prove)
0.1 33% chance het caramel (0.2 didn't prove)
0.4 25% - 50% chance het pied
0.1 50% chance het hypo

I've got eggs from my first possible het stripe in the incubator now but she was held back on the basis of being the only albino rather than on anything particularly stripy in her look. Also have eggs from a possible double het albino pied that already proved het pied.

IMHO pied and hypo often show in the hets. Hoping stripe and clown also do but I don't have any test results for that yet.

Here is a link to a marker for het albino newborn boa constrictors:

http://www.redtailboas.com/f15/how-i...litters-33869/

Does it work for ball python het albinos? I don't have access to any to check it out.

I guess I can add some more pictures so far I had 3 more female proving out (one on a breeding loan)

One PH Clown

http://i954.photobucket.com/albums/a...014Cl11_01.jpg

http://i954.photobucket.com/albums/a..._Clown_M04.jpg

And an Enchi PH Pied

http://i954.photobucket.com/albums/a...014Cl17_01.jpg

http://i954.photobucket.com/albums/a...Clutch17_2.jpg

2 female PH pieds did not prove however they only had 3 eggs each so I cannot rule them out just yet, and I have a clutch from another PH clown in the incubator right now.

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Originally Posted by Deborah

I guess I can add some more pictures so far I had 3 more female proving out (one on a breeding loan)

One PH Clown

http://i954.photobucket.com/albums/a...014Cl11_01.jpg

http://i954.photobucket.com/albums/a..._Clown_M04.jpg

And an Enchi PH Pied

http://i954.photobucket.com/albums/a...014Cl17_01.jpg

http://i954.photobucket.com/albums/a...Clutch17_2.jpg

2 female PH pieds did not prove however they only had 3 eggs each so I cannot rule them out just yet, and I have a clutch from another PH clown in the incubator right now.

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Deb I think you need to let others barrow that Horse Shoe

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Originally Posted by Pythonfriend

a few recessive hets have markers. some het pieds (not all) have the railroad tracks, and some het clowns (not all) have some subtle signs in the pattern. these are the ones i know.

generally, recessives have absolutely no markers. none at all. how do you pick them? you pick the "normals" that look the best. or you pick based on the extra genes, or based on the quality of the extra genes. apart from that it is pure luck.

i think the following have absolutely no markers, and it is pure luck: albino, caramel, axanthic, hypo, lavender albino, candy, toffee, ultramel, genetic stripe. i could be wrong about one or two, i would not be very surprised if i would be wrong about genetic stripe.

so generally its pure luck. you cannot pick them out based on any markers when they are none, and thats generally the case.

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I've noticed het Toffee/Candy have bright white borders around the alien heads. Same when picking out Toffinos/Candinos. Het Ultramels have a wierd belly thing going on. Het Axanthics when combined with some combos display muted colors as hatchlings.....some even look axanthic emerging from the egg. Het Pieds also express in many combos other than belly markers. The het Pied gene is expressed visually or in pattern manipulation.

All het Pieds....
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...psf2c7a909.jpg

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...ps12b550f4.jpg

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...s/DSCF2245.jpg

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...s/DSCF0838.jpg

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...s/DSCF0815.jpg

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...s/DSCF9958.jpg

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...psdfe9daef.jpg

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...ps140a696e.jpg

See any correlation? Some of these were proven from possible hets.