JCP vs. BRB activity level question

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Originally Posted by vangarret2000

I own 2 burbs and a jungle carpet and a coastal carpet plus I have dealt with many others of both species over my time.

I guess you could say they are similar like you have mentioned but at the same time not. Carpets don't have a lot of girth To them but do have a lot more then Brbs when adult. And are usually a little longer too.

Brbs will tend to do a little better in a bit cooler temps then carpets. Most sheets say 85 for Brbs but they actual tend to do better in a little cooler then that. My hot spot is only 82 for them but they spend most of their time on the cool side of the tank.

My Brbs will spend almost all their time in hides. My jungle will spend time in hides but also a lot of time perched. My jungle tends to be out way more then any of my other species of snakes.

Brbs also need more humidity then jungles do and aren't as tolerant to not getting that humidity as jungles are.

Both are quite aggressive eaters. Jungles a little more so then Brbs.

When being handled both are a very active snake. Both can be quite quick with their movements too. Both more active then common boas. In the tank they are both snakes so you most likely don't get a ton of action out of them but both species are still active in their tanks. Jungles I would say are more active then Brbs in their tanks from my experience.

From what you want I think you would probably enjoy both but might like Jungles a little more.

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That's the kind of comparison we need here!

Nice rundown without any bias since you own both.

That post probably helped many more people than any of us know.

Thanks for adding to this!

Thanks so much for your response vangarret!

Based on what you've said, I agree that a jungle would probably have more the personality I'm looking for. I will still look at everything they have at the show, but now I'm leaning more towards a JCP.

I'm hoping there will be actual breeders at this show, as opposed to the usual re-sellers.. I'm sure a breeder could give me far more info on parents' sizes, temperaments, etc. which seems to be important for both these species.

I will keep you guys updated and let you know what I come home with. There is no guarantee that there will be either species at the show, but in that case, I may wait and look for a good breeder online to order from.

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Originally Posted by artgecko

Thanks so much for your response vangarret!

Based on what you've said, I agree that a jungle would probably have more the personality I'm looking for. I will still look at everything they have at the show, but now I'm leaning more towards a JCP.

I'm hoping there will be actual breeders at this show, as opposed to the usual re-sellers.. I'm sure a breeder could give me far more info on parents' sizes, temperaments, etc. which seems to be important for both these species.

I will keep you guys updated and let you know what I come home with. There is no guarantee that there will be either species at the show, but in that case, I may wait and look for a good breeder online to order from.

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I hear you there. I was looking for carpets at the last expo and there were none. Then was looking for Eastern kings at the last one and found the coastals.

One thing about carpets here in the states unless you deal with some of the higher end breeders, is that we don't really have any true locality types like the Aussie folks do. But we sure can get some beautiful stuff.

When I was looking more in the adult/sub-adult area. I was looking at a Darwin/IJ/Coastal. It was a 6 foot male and I was told he was about as thick as a can of Red Bull. That's pretty slim.

If you really want to learn some about the carpets, visit Inland Reptile. That's Nick Mutton's site and he wrote. THE COMPLETE CARPET PYTHON.

Good info there.

Thanks for the info Gio. I actually already bought Nick Mutton's book (as well as one on GTP). I've been looking at pics for a couple weeks now. I wish there was a similar quality book available for BRB. I have the books on ball pythons and boas by the same publisher as well.

I will do some more research on Mutton's site... I think I want a carpet that will be on the thinner side, so I will see which of the localities matches that (as well as looks good).

Yeah, I'm thinking my odds at the next show are slim. I hopefully will get * something*, but it is hard to say what. I am also looking at adding a short tail python and wouldn't mind a nice pastel / jungle BCI, so we'll see.

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Originally Posted by artgecko

Thanks for the info Gio. I actually already bought Nick Mutton's book (as well as one on GTP). I've been looking at pics for a couple weeks now. I wish there was a similar quality book available for BRB. I have the books on ball pythons and boas by the same publisher as well.

I will do some more research on Mutton's site... I think I want a carpet that will be on the thinner side, so I will see which of the localities matches that (as well as looks good).

Yeah, I'm thinking my odds at the next show are slim. I hopefully will get * something*, but it is hard to say what. I am also looking at adding a short tail python and wouldn't mind a nice pastel / jungle BCI, so we'll see.

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I just got that book in the mail today LOL!

I think the book will lead you in the right direction.

They are really neat snakes, but I can't believe how much more muscle/girth BCs have on them.

I always hear pound for pound the strongest snakes for their size are kings and BC's. BC will usually be stronger than the other giants at the same length, but they (the true giants) obviously grow and surpass everything when they hit adulthood.

I think it's gonna be a JCP... Went to the local pet store that's managed by a reseller... He showed me some baby JCPs (which he colorfully defined as "little a**holes") and I got tagged by a tiny one... It was love at first bite. That said, these didn't look that great (a lot of black and not much yellow). He also had various baby boas (some cyclones, some hypos, etc.) and I got to hold a couple of those as well. He will be at the show, so if I don't see any better JCPs, I may get one from him or come home with another boa. He did not have an;y BRBs for me to see, so I'll have to see if there are any at the show to compare. The downside to his JCPs is that he didn't breed them so he can't give me many specifics on parents, etc.

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Originally Posted by artgecko

I think it's gonna be a JCP... Went to the local pet store that's managed by a reseller... He showed me some baby JCPs (which he colorfully defined as "little a**holes") and I got tagged by a tiny one... It was love at first bite. That said, these didn't look that great (a lot of black and not much yellow). He also had various baby boas (some cyclones, some hypos, etc.) and I got to hold a couple of those as well. He will be at the show, so if I don't see any better JCPs, I may get one from him or come home with another boa. He did not have an;y BRBs for me to see, so I'll have to see if there are any at the show to compare. The downside to his JCPs is that he didn't breed them so he can't give me many specifics on parents, etc.

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When carpets are hatchlings they all have bad coloring. Carpets colors change drastically as they age until they reach their adult colorization. I don't know exactly how long it takes but I've heard it can be up to several years. That's why it is said to usually look at the parents to get an idea of the hatchlings color potential.

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Originally Posted by artgecko

I'm sure a breeder could give me far more info on parents' sizes, temperaments, etc. which seems to be important for both these species..

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I was wondering why you would want to know the parents size and temperaments? Most people want to see the parents for their colors but l've never heard someone wondering about their size and temperament. Those types of attributes aren't really something that is passed down to the hatchlings. You could have really big or really small parents. They would still produce offspring of random sizes. The majority of hatchling carpets are nippy. If they are it's proper handling that grows them out of it. Temperament isn't a trait that's passed on to the young. It's more of a learned thing with them.

vangarret- I am also considering adding a STP to my collection and have received advice about looking for those attributes with them (size and parent attitude).. Apparently those are more hereditary with STPs, I guess? With JCPs, I assumed that if the babies were not pure jungles, (had coastal in them, etc.) that they would grow larger than pure jungles, which is the main reason I was concerned about size / seeing the parents.

I knew that color developed later with JCPs, but these had very little "color" on them (brownish areas that would turn into brighter yellow later). They had a LOT of black, which I assumed they would keep as adults. Can you tell anything about their patterns and the amount of area that will turn into color (color vs. black) when they are small or does this change too? I should note that these were very small, probably only close to a foot long and tiny (pencil width or less).

When I got home (after posting) I looked online and found an excellent video on how to handle a nippy baby to discourage biting and help tame them down. I liked the author's advice on limitng biting for the sake of the baby and possible tooth injury. After seeing that, I'm pretty comfortable with handling to tame down (now that I've seen it done correctly).

Thank you again for your time and help!

Don't sweat the colors. As mentioned they don't pop for a couple of years. Even if you ended up with an 8 foot snake, it will weigh less than your BCA.