What genetics are in play here?

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Originally Posted by Cold_Blooded_Designs

Thanks Casey
Thanks for the extra information. But that just opened up more questions for me. As far as the snake that I have what do you think it is?

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Yeah, I know. Genetics is definitely one of those things where the more you learn, you just find more new questions to ask.

As far as your snake, I don't know enough about how a typical spider het GS looks to offer an informed opinion. I totally see what you are saying about him looking a lot like a motley bee. But the spider pattern is highly variable, and when you combine in the influence of the het, I can also see it is possible that he is just a het that is showing through more than average.

There was a thread just a few days ago where a person thought his bumblebee might be a spinner blast because it didn't have the typical spider webby pattern, so you aren't alone with these kinds of questions.
http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...-Spinner-Blast

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Originally Posted by Cold_Blooded_Designs

Thanks Casey
Thanks for the extra information. But that just opened up more questions for me. As far as the snake that I have what do you think it is? When I look at a spider BP it looks completly different that the Spider HET GS that I got. Now I understand that the "HET" G.S. can change the look of it but with out a few breeding seasons with him how can I tell if he is HET for GS or has GS? Sadly, this could change what I will pair him with if he is HET or not. If I had hatched this snake and planned on selling it I would lean towards selling it as a Motley Bee based on how it looks. I guess the question here is if I had the motley bee in the photo linked below and my snake how would I tell the 2 apart?

Motley Bee:
http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/motley-bee/

and a Spider:
http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/spider/

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Please do everyone a favor and don't guess. I probably would have sold this snake as a Spider possible GS. The "possible" says this is being sold as a Spider, but could possibly be a Motley Bee due to the genetics of the parents involved. You could even sell it at a premium compared to a regular Spider due to the possibility of it being a Motley Bee. Let any potential buyers know this, provide good pictures of the parents, even pics showing locks, and let them conclude what they will. This way, if it proves out that it isn't a Motley Bee, your name isn't brought up on a Fauna BOI thread ripping you to pieces because you defrauded someone...the BOI can get ugly... http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...splay.php?f=13

A reputable breeder always lists fewer genes when a gene is in question. That way they don't have to deal with a disappointed customer. A reputable breeder would rather not make as much on a single sale, so that their customer is happy and possibly get a additional purchases from that customer, or get referrals from that customer that lead to other sales. There is a good chance that you benefited from such a situation.

Have you checked with the breeder to see if full GS is even a possibility with this snake? Maybe he/she was making hets on purpose and bred a full GS to something else. Knowing the pairing would help you rule out a Motley Bee or not, but if you are not 100% sure I wouldn't sell it as such.

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Originally Posted by Slowcountry Balls

A reputable breeder always lists fewer genes when a gene is in question. That way they don't have to deal with a disappointed customer. A reputable breeder would rather not make as much on a single sale, so that their customer is happy and possibly get a additional purchases from that customer, or get referrals from that customer that lead to other sales. There is a good chance that you benefited from such a situation.

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I agree 100%.
I would rather take a hit to the wallet than a hit to my reputation any day.
The money loss you can recover, the reputation not as easy to recover.
I don't even chage extra for hets, not worth the hassle.