Pastels?

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Originally Posted by Pythonfriend

pastel is the most common morph of all BP morphs. it is also one of the oldest.

but we all know they have issues with browning out. and in multi-gene combos, they can wash out or fade out the pattern.

its the most common morph because it has been the most common morph right from the beginning. there is no other reason. in quality, it does not compare to other newer codominants like lesser/butter, yellowbelly, mojave, fire, enchi, CG/banana, gravel, mocha, bamboo.

after spending a lot of time on this forum and working on getting into the right living condition and financial condition to get started, i will soon start my collection. and i will, right from the start, cut out the two most common morphs: pastel and spider. meaning i am open to start with everything else except these two. maybe ill get a spider later on, but never a pastel. and the first BP i buy will definitively contain enchi.

pastel is the cheapest morph (fact), the most common morph (fact), one of the oldest morphs if not the oldest morph (fact), and i think the most overrated morph (matter of opinion).

the deal-breaker for me is that jigsaws and kingpins look awesome, but when you add pastel, they look diminished. not necessarily in color, but definitively in contrast and pattern. these are just two obvious examples where the result is better without pastel.

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I agree, thanks for the input! :) Though when I first got into bp's I wasn't planning on breeding and pastels were the cheapest morph for me at that time. Now, things have changed and I see things differently lol. I'm into piebalds and black pastels right now ;) but if I get pastel babies I think I'll hold a female back to breed to my black pastel get piebald ;)


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Quote:

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Originally Posted by Pythonfriend

pastel is the most common morph of all BP morphs. it is also one of the oldest.

but we all know they have issues with browning out. and in multi-gene combos, they can wash out or fade out the pattern.

its the most common morph because it has been the most common morph right from the beginning. there is no other reason. in quality, it does not compare to other newer codominants like lesser/butter, yellowbelly, mojave, fire, enchi, CG/banana, gravel, mocha, bamboo.

after spending a lot of time on this forum and working on getting into the right living condition and financial condition to get started, i will soon start my collection. and i will, right from the start, cut out the two most common morphs: pastel and spider. meaning i am open to start with everything else except these two. maybe ill get a spider later on, but never a pastel. and the first BP i buy will definitively contain enchi.

pastel is the cheapest morph (fact), the most common morph (fact), one of the oldest morphs if not the oldest morph (fact), and i think the most overrated morph (matter of opinion).

the deal-breaker for me is that jigsaws and kingpins look awesome, but when you add pastel, they look diminished. not necessarily in color, but definitively in contrast and pattern. these are just two obvious examples where the result is better without pastel.

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I believe that albino is the oldest morph but you are right pastel is old.

I believe that albino is the oldest morph but you are right pastel is old. but I have to disagree with you about say the pastel is useless to have in your collection while you are right it doesn't combined with everything( what morph does ) I fell like the super pastel make a lot of really nice stuff. I fell this is more about them being cheap then anything else to you because you pick out the 2 lowest morphs and that is true pastel willnt bring a lot of "value" to your collection and if you are try to get return money wise it would be smart to get higher end morph. but for what we have seen from this morph I would say it overrated. I hostley started out with the two morph that you said you wouldn't a super pastel and a spider for the victory of creating bumblebee and then killer bees. the resoe I did it this way is because right now I don't care if I earn any money I want the bragging right to be able to say that I made these really cool morph. it post and I went over the ten min. this in no way is ment to attack you just my thought on pastels

despite being old, i believe the pastel gene is still very useful and without it would be impossible to recreate some nice looking combos such as queenbee, firefly, pewter, firebee, bumblebee, and so on.....you just have to select your pairings in order to get the desired results.....i do not like how pastel reacts with the pinstripe gene.

having said that, it's better to get a pastel combo than to get single genes, if budget allows it. maybe not much special going on with single gene pastels or spiders, but bumblebees are still a genetic powerhouse (bang for the buck), provided it's paired with the right genes..

then again, we might not share the same opinion on the beauty of ball python combos....

Pastel or super is one of my favorites morphs,anything with Pastel look nice,Lesser Pastel,Pastel Mojave,Pastel Clown ....

for my first BPs im looking at things like jigsaw, fire enchi, black pastel enchi, mochi, combos with special or mocha, maybe even a leche (super mocha), ivory, maybe gravel. maybe banana/CG. maybe specter combos. and thats just the codominants. heavy on non-white BEL combos, pinstripe, and enchi, and darkeners with benefits, maybe mahogany. oh, and of course fire. sugar and calico. mystic and phantom. for the wobbly genes, because i also cut out spider, give me champagne. enchi champagne. super enchi champagne. super enchi champagne fire. pumpkin-line. and goldblush is also really nice.

no pastel, no way. i refuse. i will not comply. bees are nice, but i dont want any part of it. instead, give me a pair that can produce enchi mystic potion or enchi purple passion. and super fire enchi is soooo sweeeet.

and thats basically my plan for the next 20 years, all hypothetical. no pastel, never. i have ideas for recessives that i did not mention here, i only mentioned codominants and dominants. i know what i like and what i dont like, and i dont like pastel. give me some leopard het pied instead.

Pastels only get a bad rap because there are so many terrible examples out there...goes back to the point I made in another thread about people not breeding for quality but quantity. Get a couple male Pastels, breed them to as many normal females as possible, and get RICH!!! $$$$$$ Woo Hoo!!!! <<< That was standard practice not too long ago...:rolleyes:

From what I've seen, pastels seem to have a really broad range of quality. Low quality pastels should be avoided, but I don't see any harm in a good pastel combo or super in a collection to make some great morphs with. I love the lesser/butter combos, but so many of them need a pastel gene to make them. I won't pretend I love pastels, but I acknowledge the necessity of their existence for certain projects. :) I love my Super Pastel girl, so I feel like I can't bad mouth pastels too much with her around.

Great thoughts everyone! I agree with many of you, there are a lot if horrible muddy looking pastels and some that are great quality. I think super pastels are prettier than normal pastels in my opinion. Funny how I used to think pastels were so pretty until I got one and got into breeding lol.

Check out this picture on royal constructor design(top picture):
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/05/07/dedy7eby.jpg

Looks like a nice normal to me, what do you guys think? Seems like they are colliding with normals these days!




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I think the Pastel is an awesome morph. I wouldn't think they are "money makers" ( I personally dont care) but I consider them an important base morph to have in your collection.