Devil Child of a Cat

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Originally Posted by PhoenixGate

He may not be a purebred cat but I like the line he comes from. I'm not planning on breeding an army of cats. There are a ton of bps in captivity that are receiving sub par care or need permanent homes, not to mention all the larger pythons that get killed or abandoned, yet I would never suggest that people not breed them if they desire to do so. I find this comment rude.

I will also point out that humans as a species are overpopulated, and that we should not be reproducing at such a high rate, yet I would never suggest that someone get themselves fixed (before or after kids) as a solution.




I will also add that I've spoken to my vet and she has stated that getting him fixed will have a high chance of NOT stoppingthe spraying.

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hmmm...I must be a rude person because I'd have no problem suggesting someone not breed ball pythons if they weren't in a position to deal with the consequences. Same thing with humans. No problem there either...

I find it irresponsible to not spay or neuter dogs and cats unless you are a professional breeder. There are too many of them with out homes, that get put down. You're not even breeding a purebred cat... you just want part of a cat that's gone. Let him go, and neuter that poor cat. And, locking the poor thing in a crate at night is just cruel. He's getting sprayed and locked in a crate for doing something that comes natural to him, because you chose to not neuter him. That's not his decision or fault. Smh. :(

And as far as the overpopulation of humans...

Standing shoulder-to-shoulder, the entire world's population could fit within the 500 square miles of Los Angeles.

Our planet is not nearly as overpopulated as people think. We just tend to gather together...:D

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The age at which a tom cat sexually matures can vary greatly but in general it occurs between 5 and 12 months. Many factors can affect at which age a male cat starts spraying. Male cats in multi-cat households or in close proximity to other cats are more likely to spray at a younger age.

Spraying is territorial and can also be stress related. Neutering or spaying a kitten at an early age can prevent spraying problems in the future. Your veterinarian will advise you on the best age to neuter your kitten.

Multi-cat households usually have a far greater problem with spraying than single cat households. Overcrowding of cats will often result in problems with territory marking.

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Squirting him with water and locking him in a kennel at night is a great way to stress a cat out.

You also have 2 other cats.

In an apartment.

And now you want kittens.

And you'll probably keep one.

So now you'll have 4 cats in an apartment?




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not to mention the other 5 kittens and the mother, what happens once you have your little Red clone?

sorry, irresponsible breeding (of any species, INCLUDING ball pythons, by the way) is the reason we have so many sick/dying/abused/neglected animals in the world. Responsible breeders have reliable, loving prospective homes in the planning stages of litters/clutches.

Besides, his sperm count is already lowering at 2 years old, and you're increasing his risk of diabetes and urinary tract illness by keeping him intact. He's also probably high-strung as a result of both being intact and being kept in a box at night. Neutering him will calm him down and reduce his spraying, if not eliminate it, which allows him time out of the box.

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So are you going to be spaying and neutering all the kittens to prevent more mutt cats down the road? I don't say mutt as an offense because all my best dogs have been mutts, but by mutt you don't know the cat's lineage, you don't have papers, and you don't have anything show worthy. If you're going to breed, breed something that's worth it. Heck I feel the same way about those people doing simple co dom crosses with ball pythons to normal females. Which is why I won't be doing that. I'm going to make combos worth it, and I'll be hanging onto those babies if they don't sell. Are you going to do the responsible thing and spay and neuter all those kittens and find them good homes? Do you have the money to get them all their shots and spay/neuter them? Are you going to keep them if they don't find homes?

I just find it really irresponsible to breed an animal to just carry on the line. BPs and cats are different. 100 BPs isn't as crazy to me as having 5+ cats. Cats are more work I'd think. My grandma breeds dogs occasionally. She has really nice stock (papered too), great colors, and people lined up to buy the pups each and every time. She has also bred her horses and they are always from papered stock and with excellent sires. She also gets all the colts gelded. I actually have a gelding that she bred for me. I got him gelded early and he's got a forever home with me. He means a lot to me but no way would I keep him intact just to get a foal from him to carry on the line. That's not fair to him at all. He'd have to lead a completely different life if he was intact. Not to mention if I were to breed a mammal like that, I'd buy the best stock I could afford and breed it to the best stock I could afford. I'd also be keeping that baby personally or make sure I do the right thing and geld it and train it up for a new owner.

Breed with a good purpose (producing the best animal you can conformationally and for an intended purpose like show). My horse was bred to be very athletic and boy is he. With things like horses, dogs, and cats there are SO many average jo's there's no reason to add more average stock to the population. There are so many waiting at shelters or rescues. I'm sorry about Red but think of the life this male cat is having. That's not fair he has to be locked up because you want one baby from him. Plus neutering when older is harder on them physically and it takes a while (six months or so) for them to stop the spraying. So stop waiting on it. He'll also live a long life once he's neutered. Red's death opened up the door for you to adopt another cat. And when that cat eventually passes, they open up the door for another cat to have a loving home with you. That's exactly what I plan on doing with my future dogs. I'm going to adopt a Pit from a shelter. When that animal eventually passes, well they gave me a lot of love and made way for me to give my love to the next needy animal.

Sorry for the novel. Just please don't breed for sentimental reasons. Breed for good conformation, from good bloodlines, and for good personality if that's what you're going to do. (Which means go invest in some cats from good show lines)

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Originally Posted by Bobbafett

That was actually kinda catchy


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I know! I catch myself singing it the shower all the time!

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Do you realize the numbers of healthy cats euthanized yearly at shelters? It's in the hundreds of thousands (at least). Your cat (and you) would be happier if he were neutered. All the negative reinforcement you are trying to do is going to stress him out much worse in the long run than him having a minor surgery. It's a very quick and easy procedure.

I actually also feel the same about ball pythons and stopped breeding them in 2009 when our local herp society started having major issues trying to place the rescue ones. I felt it wasn't a responsible thing for me to produce more when there were a lot needing homes.

I also made the choice to never have children myself (and made that choice permanent, medically) - besides personal reasons, I just never saw any need for me to add to the overpopulation problem.

I am not completely against responsible breeding for dogs, cats, snakes, etc when what you produce will be of benefit to the breed in some way. For your cat, there's no special 'line' that needs to be continued. So yes, I agree 100% on not ever breeding him. Rest assured, there will be cats needing homes that will have the traits you are looking for, and many many cats related to him that have probably bred already. Remember, every home you find for kittens you produced is a home that has less ability to adopt another cat. You have a choice. Please do the responsible thing.