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  • 03-11-2014, 10:10 PM
    Amanda1226
    Ok, so, can you describe the different anerys??
    The Aztec sounds cool. :)
    Oh, what about Jungles??
    I think I've run out of single gene morphs...
    Some of the morphs you talked about aren't eye catching on their own, but what combos are nice looking, but still affordable?? I say affordable, I mean around the $500 range...
  • 03-12-2014, 10:15 PM
    Evenstar
    Type 1 anerys are the more "standard" version. Their pattern is typical wild-type and they are more grey and black in color. Type 2 anerys are more pewter and silver. Black eyed anerys are darker overall and have black eyes.

    Jungles are one of my personal favorites. I love what this gene does both on its own and when combined with other genes. It is both a color and a pattern morph. I have done extensive research on this particular gene since I have several Jungles in my collection. What I'm about to post wasn't written by me, however. It was written by Diem of Celestial Exotics and reposted here with permission. It is the best way to accurately describe the Jungle gene.

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    The Jungle Mutation in Boa Constrictors has two components; color and pattern and it is an incomplete dominant trait. An incomplete dominant trait, in the simplest of terms (emphasizing simplest for those who are really rabid about more complex explanations), is a trait that, by itself, is incomplete and so the incomplete form of it is technically visually heterozygous for the complete trait (this means they visually show that they can create the Super Jungle mutation). This means that what we call Jungles are actually Het. Jungles and taking two Het. Jungles and pairing them together creates the actual Jungle. However, for sake of ease and lack of confusion, the incomplete form is called Jungle and the complete form is called Super Jungle. The Super Jungle results because you are basically combining two halves of the same incomplete dominant trait together to make it complete. What results is a complete trait that will produce only incomplete dominant versions of itself no matter what it is bred to (of course more supers would result if you paired it with yet another Jungle and all Super Jungles would result if you bred it to another Super Jungle).

    There are five to seven primary indicators that have been recognized in Jungles (depending on who you talk to):

    - Missing/Floating Saddle Points
    - Aberrant Pattern
    - "Popping Color"
    - Broken/Distorted/Hole Punched Head Stripe
    - Pale Pattern Elements
    - Two Tone Coloration
    - Black Outline Around Saddles

    While these indicators are great tools in helping people recognize a Jungle Boa, the problem is that a Jungle Boa can have ONE of these primary indicators and still be a Jungle Boa. A Jungle is not always going to have a broken head spear, a Jungle is not always going to have black outlines around the saddles and a Jungle is not always going to have missing and floating saddle points.

    One of the most important things to remember is that an aberrant pattern does not a Jungle make; just because it has a wacky pattern does not mean it is a Jungle. In fact, that is probably the least important element in telling a Jungle from a non-Jungle animal.

    It is also important to note, especially when it comes to Hypo Jungles, that black outlines will not always be readily seen on the saddles.

    Even the darkest of Jungles POP out at you meaning that in Jungles, there is almost always going to be an obvious intensity of dorsal color versus the color on their sides and it causes them to POP out. This is one of the most important aspects of determining when a Jungle actually is a Jungle. Generally, the back of the animal is going to be so much more colorful from the paler color of the sides that there is actually an outline of color that can be seen, or a “racing stripe” that prominently shows where the separation of color is.
    I love the look of Jungles. I think they are outstanding all on their own. I have a low-expression male that is more colorful than most of my color morphs. He is a beautiful buckskin or caramel color and has bright rust saddles and tail pattern. His laterals are rosy pink.

    Jungles, when not combined with other morphs, are not typically very high priced unless they are amazingly high-expression. I purchased my 2011 male for only $250. High-expression Jungles can go as high as $700-800 or even more, but low-expressions are much less. It's important to note here that what makes a "low" or "high" expression Jungle is pattern. Any Jungle should have that nice golden caramel color and pink laterals. But the high expressions will also have tremendous aberrancies in the pattern. Some will be so wild looking they will appear zig-zag or chain-link and the pattern will run the full length of the snake. But low expressions are very beautiful too.

    As far as price, hypos and anerys are both very reasonable at around $220 or less. Albinos might run more like $400. Snows and Sunglows will be over your mark of $500 though, usually running more like $600. Moonglows are still highly desirable and will be close to $1600. Motleys are generally around $300-400 depending on pattern and Arabesques are about the same.

    Actually, all of these morphs are very striking on their own. Combining them together or with other genes doesn't necessarily make them "prettier" but it does add to the price.
  • 06-22-2016, 03:24 AM
    DerekBradley
    Re: Who can give good descriptions of BCI morphs?
    Great descriptions. It's hard finding good info. I have a kahl sunglow het kahl stripe female. My question is what would best male pairing for little or no possibles. I have heard sunglow het stripe to sunglow het stripe can lead to more birth defects and stillborns. Also, are the lipstick boas a super sunglow? Or separate co dominant like coral? Also get confused on stripes. I read there are co Dom stripes but kahl stripe is recessive. Some motley seem striped and some jungles seem striped. Are they all different stripes?
  • 06-22-2016, 01:53 PM
    AbsoluteApril
    Re: Who can give good descriptions of BCI morphs?
    I'm not an expert but will try to help

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    Originally Posted by DerekBradley View Post
    I have a kahl sunglow het kahl stripe female. My question is what would best male pairing for little or no possibles. I have heard sunglow het stripe to sunglow het stripe can lead to more birth defects and stillborns.

    Little or no possible what? hets?

    You heard that breeding may cause more birth defects because albino x albino can lead to more defects (premature birth, missing or bad eyes, kinks). This was much more true in the 90s and it was because the albinos weren't as common and therefore there was more line/inbreeding happening. Now that they have been outcrossed with new blood over the years, it's not nearly as common as it used to be. I wouldn't really worry about it to much. espcailly if the ones you want to breed are not directly related.

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    Originally Posted by DerekBradley View Post
    Also, are the lipstick boas a super sunglow? Or separate co dominant like coral?

    No, lipsticks are not super sunglows. Lipstick is a line of kahl strain albinos that are known for producing strong red coloration. Just like coral is a line of kahl albinos known for producing boas with lots of pink and orange over the yellow.
    Lipstick line was founded by Tom Burke. I'm sorry but I don't recall who founded the corals. Both lines are highly variable as they are line bred traits. If you breed two corals together or two lipstick line animals together, you are more likely to see those same traits show up in the babies. Also just because someone has a high color albino, does not mean it is one of those lines unless they have lineage info tracing it back.

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    Originally Posted by DerekBradley View Post
    Also get confused on stripes. I read there are co Dom stripes but kahl stripe is recessive. Some motley seem striped and some jungles seem striped. Are they all different stripes?

    Yes there are dom stripe lines and the kahl stripe which is recessive. There are also reverse stripe animals but as with the dom stripes, sometimes it is inheritable and sometimes it is simply normal pattern variation.
    Motley and jungle morphs both mess with pattern (as well as color) and yes, do sometimes result in stripes. Motleys tend to throw stripey tails, jungles tend to throw chain link connected saddle patterns. They are not versions of stripe. It is just the normal variation of those morphs.

    I hope that helps a little!
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