Lesser vs Fire

As already said, I would get the cinny girl and then hold out for another nice female. In a year or so I would then start shopping for a male.
If you are set, I would do the lesser.

Both are good genes to have in your collection. I think Fire has better potential for combinations, but Lesser looks better on its own. However, as said by multiple people, invest in females first and wait to buy a good male later.

3 major factors come into play here. 1 which you already brought up was budget. 2 Your preferences . 3 future breeding plans or you can just play around with it like me lol. If your looking for very obvious color changes in your combo morphs I would go with a lesser that is the stronger gene. These are both co-dominant animals and their super forms are quite similar Lesser x Lesser = Blue Eyed Lucy Fire x Fire = Black Eyed Lucy. I would get a male morph and a 1-2 normal females like that you can produce more animals(if you have the budget, space of course and are not over whelmed by the challenge) If you are just asking our preference I would have to go with lesser because they're awesome:cool:

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Originally Posted by Manic Morphs

3 major factors come into play here. 1 which you already brought up was budget. 2 Your preferences . 3 future breeding plans or you can just play around with it like me lol. If your looking for very obvious color changes in your combo morphs I would go with a lesser that is the stronger gene. These are both co-dominant animals and their super forms are quite similar Lesser x Lesser = Blue Eyed Lucy Fire x Fire = Black Eyed Lucy. I would get a male morph and a 1-2 normal females like that you can produce more animals(if you have the budget, space of course and are not over whelmed by the challenge) If you are just asking our preference I would have to go with lesser because they're awesome:cool:

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Why suggest to get normal females? They're plenty of Lessers on the market...No need to breed normals anymore!!!


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Originally Posted by Pythonfriend

i really like this article, and i always link it when people are in the process of deciding how to start:

http://ballpythonbreeder.com/2012/02...thon-breeders/

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This is probably the best article I have read on getting started in breeding ball pythons. I have read it many times over the past 2 years to keep me on track.

The only thing I kinda disagree with is that I would buy Co-Dom/Dom females earlier if you can afford them. Buying your females earlier gives them time to get to breeding size if you can afford the initial investment. I think simple single gene female Pastels, Pinstripes, Spiders, Black Pastels, Butter/Lesser/Mojave, Fires, etc... are a great starting point. I started with 0.4 Normals, 0.5 Pastels, 0.3 Spiders, 0.3 Pinstripes and 0.2 Enchis to get my simple Co-Dom/Dom projects going. They are all up to breeding size and will likely all go this year (some went last year as well already). For slightly more I think a Super Pastel female fits into any almost program well to eliminate Normal hatchlings.

Add into your collection at least a few double gene powerhouse males. I have added a Nuclear, Enchi Fire, Enchi Pastel and Sugar Fire to my program to breed this season. All are in the 700-1000g range and locking those single gene and a few double gene females. The possibility of getting a triple or quad back requires a few nice double gene males along with some single and double gene females.

Look into a project you have some passion about and start buying females that will get you there- ie.... Blue Eyed Lucy??.... get a Butter/Lesser/Mojave female for under $200 and raise her up to size. By then you can save up for a nice double/triple gene male as prices drop that you can use with that project, and other projects as well..... a 1.0 Nuclear, Pastave, ButterBee/LesserBee, etc.... any of those males could be thrown to your other single gene females (Pinstripe, Pastel, Fire, Black Pastel, etc..) to get some nice clutches back (Lemonblast, Spinners, BumbleBees, Killerbees, SuperBlasts, FireFlys, Pewters, etc...). Any one of those males will likely only cost $200-$300 by the time your females are ready to breed. This is just one example of making your purchases count in adding some variety to your breeding program. One nice healthy male can handle 4-6 females easily.

Do your homework, research, and pick your passion. Start saving and looking to work towards your goal ;)

I'm in my second season and might make a nickel this year if I am lucky. Just keep it fun and you will do great :gj:

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Originally Posted by coldbloodaddict

Why suggest to get normal females? They're plenty of Lessers on the market...No need to breed normals anymore!!!


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I would not suggest on purchasing Normals either, but I have handful that I will probably not get rid of anytime soon. I got them all for free, or a song on trades as adults. They lay good eggs, and when bred to a nice double/triple gene male it is difficult to let them go when they have paid for themselves with one egg.

I cannot wait to see to see what my favorite 0.1 Normal brings me :gj:

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/h...ps0abba36e.jpg

normal females make sense, in the right context. that is, if you are not restricted when it comes to space, and dont mind producing more of the same (more of the genes that the male brings into the pairing), its fine.

but if space is really limited, and the amount of snakes you can keep is limited, and if you want to get into morphs, then normals dont help much.

Thank you guys for all your input. I decided to hold off on getting the males (unless I suddenly come into some money or something ;)). I am getting the cinnamon female. I'll be picking her up tomorrow, late morning or early afternoon.

I don't know what "goal" morph I have. Many are freaking awesome! At this point, I'm wanting to just play around with it and see what I get. I did find someone who has a supposed het ghost het atomic female for $100, but I don't know that I trust it, as it looks like a normal to me.

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Originally Posted by JMoriarty

Thank you guys for all your input. I decided to hold off on getting the males (unless I suddenly come into some money or something ;)). I am getting the cinnamon female. I'll be picking her up tomorrow, late morning or early afternoon.

I don't know what "goal" morph I have. Many are freaking awesome! At this point, I'm wanting to just play around with it and see what I get. I did find someone who has a supposed het ghost het atomic female for $100, but I don't know that I trust it, as it looks like a normal to me.

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No one is selling a Het Atomic female for $100. I'll take her for $1000 if she is available. To my knowledge Wilbanks has only sold a 0.1 Atomic to one person and no males are for sale right now..... I have been asking for one for some time now- even a 1.0 Het Atomic.

Also don't discount other breeders upgrading. They don't always advertise (so you may have to ask around a bit) but plans change, or they get better ones to replace their current breeders. You can fairly commonly find adult males, and even females that are single gene fairly cheap. I found a breeder male pewter at a show for $150 (he had him marked at $225, but at the end of the show I got him cheaper, I did not really need him, but could not pass that up)

also, I tell everyone, pick the morphs you like, try to make what you like, don't worry quite as much about the market, get what is worth it to YOU. I treat this has a hobby, and know that there is not much chance I'll actually make any money, would be happy to break even! :) Prices will always drop. These are my pets, that I may happen to get back some of my money on.