Heat

I agree with Pit and Coopers.

Even a smaller unregulated pad can burn an animal or cause a fire.
The label might say it doesn't get over whatever temp, but all of the commercial heat pads can get up to 130*+ unregulated.

There are a few people here who have had unregulated heat pads melt tubs and crack aquarium glass. One person with a bearded dragon had her unregulated mat catch their wooden viviarium on fire.

Its your own choice to use a thermostat or not. But its not good advice to tell a new keeper to not use one because you don't. You have a right risk your own animals, but don't ever risk someone else's.


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Here you go.....20 minutes un regulated and there is a fan circulating the room

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Originally Posted by PitOnTheProwl

They are for ALL heat sources that your retile can come in contact with:mad:
Just because YOU couldn't get a stat set up properly sure doesn't mean you tell other people not to use one.
And just for your information the smaller ones can run up to about 120 degrees.

I can take photos for you and I know you have already seen what a good belly burn looks like from an unregulated heat source.

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I have treated burns before, so a picture is unnecessary. Please tell me where I explicitly say "Do not use a thermostat". I have said countless times what I do and MY thoughts on the issue.

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Originally Posted by Coopers Constrictors

Umm...

A thermostat needs be used to control any kind of heat source, regardless of what the output may be. I think this topic has been beat to death with many documented lessons learned from not properly controlling heat sources. It sounds like you do not know how to correctly install them and thus something malfunctioned, which happens a lot with people that do not read the instructions and do the proper research prior to purchasing and installing a thermostat. Purchasing a good thermostat from the start, such as a Herpstat, Helix and/or Vivarium is a good start... an unregulated heat mat is a recipe for disaster.

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Helix thermostat. Instructions followed to the letter, had a friend currently in an electrician internship look it over. Came home to 79F basking spots, used manual to try to correct issue, came back an hour later...no results, threw it in the trash where it belonged (it had been a stressful day in lab and I was not in the mood for bull). Grabbed some hydrofarms the next day and they are currently running to my satisfaction, despite having to replace one a little while ago. The owner of the store I worked at for 8 years had used heat mats, bulbs, etc... without thermostats for his entire 50 years in the business, he had quite the shocked look when I admitted to using them. Now I am about as far from an electrical engineer as you can get, but I am also far enough from an idiot to understand how to push some buttons and place a probe or two.

Either way I doubt the OP appreciates our little spat. If either of you must discuss it further you're welcome to PM me.

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Originally Posted by Physician&Snakes

On larger ones yes for energy efficiency...not on my little 6"X8" ones though.

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Since you forgot............ This isn't a spat and I'm not up for PM games.
I am correcting for lack if a better term, BAD advice given and hopefully saving someone's snake from a bad outcome.

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Originally Posted by Physician&Snakes

Smaller heat pads are unregulated because the max temp is 96F.

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Personally, i'd rather have a malfunction of 79degrees, but thats just me.

This heat mat runs unregulated 24/7, i have it propped up against the side of my dubia roach bin.

EDIT: and just to ice that cake, this is even smaller than your 6"x8" mats.
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Physicians and snakes,don't you know,you are not suppose to disagree with mods or with there little followers,or you will get internet chewed alive,lol..I'm staying away on this one,I'm trying to be a good boy.

But whatever works for your snake is what counts,everyone has diff opinions and many diff things work,unfortunately. Certain ppl around here think there is only one way to do things and they think it's there way only..I know quiet a few ppl who have UTHs that are not regulated and for years,there snakes are perfectly fine...

Get the thermostat. Odds are far more likely you'll regret not having one than having one.

It's like wearing your seat belt. You can be killed in a car accident if you are wearing one, but I'd rather take my chances with it than without it.

Me personally,I have all my UTHs on thermostats and also regulated by thermometers,but that's me

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Originally Posted by NYHC4LIFE8899

Physicians and snakes,don't you know,you are not suppose to disagree with mods or with there little followers,or you will get internet chewed alive,lol..I'm staying away on this one,I'm trying to be a good boy

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I'm not a mod. I'm not little. I'm not a follower. I care about snakes getting burned though.

You can ask pit yourself, him and i have butted heads before. But when it comes to the safety of snakes, i have to agree with him. No question, snakes well being come before anything for both of us. I aint one to be brown nosing mods, if anything its the opposite.

I will apologize for being unclear, MY heat pad is set by me, in a proportional ratio to how much I want heated; the 96F is the highest in cage basking point I have ever observed in five years of using the brand. The maximum potential of it is likely what has already been shown however, I have never tested it in that manner.

Yes, I describe this as a "spat" because my intelligence was directly insulted, therefore it is more than a Socratic seminar by social logic; however, think and do what you will, I know I will.

OP, I must apologize to you for unintentionally starting this within your thread, I wish you the best and hope you found what you needed.