What should I breed my "mimosa" with?

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Originally Posted by dkspftw

And super morphs could potentially still display even with the other dominant champagne morph genes in there?

I'm still trying to wrap my head around the basics of genetics as I'm quite new to this--I guess I need to think of each morph as a unique gene that can be added on, rather than feeling like the snake only has one color or pattern morph "slot", and adding one can overwrite the other. I realize it might look this way visually, but I've gotta stop thinking that genetics work that way, haha.

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except when they do!! :)
most don't but a few do. Like, I don't think for example you can have spark, spector, gravel and Yellow belly, they interact (I think) I don't think you can get more of 2 of these.

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Originally Posted by dkspftw

And super morphs could potentially still display even with the other dominant champagne morph genes in there?

I'm still trying to wrap my head around the basics of genetics as I'm quite new to this--I guess I need to think of each morph as a unique gene that can be added on, rather than feeling like the snake only has one color or pattern morph "slot", and adding one can overwrite the other. I realize it might look this way visually, but I've gotta stop thinking that genetics work that way, haha.

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When we speak of dominant/co-dominant we are generally referring to the same gene, just different alleles (or versions) of that same gene. So pastel is co-dominant (really incomplete dominant) to the "normal" gene. Meaning if you have one pastel gene, you have a visual pastel, if you have 2, you have a super pastel (keep in mind each snake has 2 of each gene [1 from each parent]).

So as to your "pattern slot" question, each of the pattern genes has a "slot" for each gene. So you could have a genetic pinstripe-spider-genetic stripe-champagne snake. I have no idea what it would look like. But that's not the point. The point is these each are essentially genes that change the pattern of the snake, and if you keep adding them together, then what makes each unique will get muddled with the others, if that makes sense.

Think of it like a super fire, super lesser. Not the best example, but you would essentially have a snake that is homozygous for 2 sets of genes that give rise to an all white snake. Sort of a waste of gene combination IMO.

So the reason I personally wouldn't pair a champagne with a spider or pinstripe I don't think they would really add much to the champagne. Whereas some of the color morphs (eg, pastel, etc) would. And with pastel (and others), you could have pastel champagnes and super pastel champagnes, or more morph combinations down the road.

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Originally Posted by Blue Apple Herps

So the reason I personally wouldn't pair a champagne with a spider or pinstripe I don't think they would really add much to the champagne. Whereas some of the color morphs (eg, pastel, etc) would. And with pastel (and others), you could have pastel champagnes and super pastel champagnes, or more morph combinations down the road.

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Agreed on the color versus pattern morphs here. Also, isn't Champagne x Spider is a known fatal combo anyway, or is the info on WoBP incorrect?

enchi would be the first thing I add to champagne hands down.

So a pastel hypo enchi male would be a good bet?

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Originally Posted by dkspftw

So a pastel hypo enchi male would be a good bet?

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excellent choice.

you have a champagne (dominant) hypo (recessive). since hypo is recessive, the male should at least be het hypo, if not homozygous hypo. otherwise you would only get hets, no visual hypos. since it has champagne, the male should not have champagne, spider, woma, or hidden gene woma in it. (you get the lethal combos when you try to combine two genes that are known to have the wobble)

and enchi just works perfectly with champagne, it brings back some pattern to the champagne, enchi champagnes look really interesting. and since this is now well-known, enchi champagne combos are really popular and in demand.

so yes, a hypo enchi is quite ideal, pastel hypo enchi is even better.

Eeeexxxxxcelent.

http://alternativenation.net/wp-cont...02/mrburns.jpg

My thoughts.... I would invest in one of the following or a combo of
black pastel hypo
fire hypo
I love the greater instance of ringers in champs these two produce

Also have you seen the albino champ? It would be cool to go that route also so albino black pastel het hypo would be in my list also.

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Originally Posted by bcr229

Agreed on the color versus pattern morphs here. Also, isn't Champagne x Spider is a known fatal combo anyway, or is the info on WoBP incorrect?

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Ya I wouldn't consider adding spider to a champ project unless you have some spare freezer space.

Here's the future daddy! Pastel hypo enchi, produced by Garrick DeMeyer.

http://i538.photobucket.com/albums/f...ps5e5635d5.jpg