how much $ for Pinstripe?

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Originally Posted by Gessler

Sounds like a bunch of bull. Not the pin for 75$. 10 to 1 you end up with a pinstripe.

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LOL. I almost fell out my chair when reading this one.

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Originally Posted by decensored

There's a difference between wholesaling it, knowing there will be a mark-up at resale, rather than selling female pinstripes at $75 on the open market. Sometimes breeders produce so many animals there's no time to move them all individually and I understand that - but I am hearing from more and more people that they are getting into breeding for next season to undercut everyone in the open market. Almost proud that people may be annoyed by it. It's ridiculous. The demand is out there, I don't understand the need to sell at half market price to public buyers.

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So what your saying is I can't choose to sell some babies at wholesale just to get rid of them on the open market? Wholesale isn't always behind closed doors but If people are intentionally trying to undercut people and drop the market then "ain't nobody got time for that"

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Originally Posted by decensored

There's a difference between wholesaling it, knowing there will be a mark-up at resale, rather than selling female pinstripes at $75 on the open market. Sometimes breeders produce so many animals there's no time to move them all individually and I understand that - but I am hearing from more and more people that they are getting into breeding for next season to undercut everyone in the open market. Almost proud that people may be annoyed by it. It's ridiculous. The demand is out there, I don't understand the need to sell at half market price to public buyers.

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Maybe they want to undercut the big wholesalers and the big box stores, because they believe these big chains and wholesalers treat the animals badly?


personally, i would rather undercut the market for a morph that really has bottomed out by selling a pin for 75 and having contact to the next owner, when the alternative is to dump it to a wholesaler for 30, who then trucks it across the nation, and it ends up as an underweight BP in poor condition in some big chain where someone you will never meet picks it up for 150 or something. Because it looked so different from all other BPs the store had, and someone needed to buy it to give it a better home, poor underfed thing.

i think the problem is: too much supply of morph BPs, too low demand, demand for that quantity only exists for normals and that only because all the big chains have normal BPs and advertise them and sell them in quantities.

I dont think dumping pearls in front of pigs by injecting morphs into the mainstream pet trade is the solution. i think direct marketing, at prices higher than wholesale but lower than the prices big chains charge for a normal, is the better solution. breeders make a bit more, customers pay a bit less, its much better for the snakes since they dont have to go through wholesaler + retail. Everyone wins, except for big business.


about the specific morph: lets face it, the times when a pinstripe female, let alone a pinstripe male, was an animal desireable for breeding are long gone. its a pet, or for hobby breeders that are not in for the money. prices for lemonblast, bees, jigsaw, super pastel, or firefly are low enough, these prices are already in the lower 3 digits.

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Originally Posted by Pythonfriend

about the specific morph: lets face it, the times when a pinstripe female, let alone a pinstripe male, was an animal desireable for breeding are long gone. its a pet, or for hobby breeders that are not in for the money. prices for lemonblast, bees, jigsaw, super pastel, or firefly are low enough, these prices are already in the lower 3 digits.

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In your mind maybe, I would pay $200 to $300 for a nice clean female pin that caught my eye.
I wouldn't undercut market just to move it quickly, I have a couple "mom and pop" shops that I would rather help out first IF I had to clear rack space.

I paid $75 for my Male Ghost BP,when I bought him he was about 6 weeks old. Which was only 3 weeks ago

Maybe they want to undercut the big wholesalers and the big box stores, because they believe these big chains and wholesalers treat the animals badly?

personally, i would rather undercut the market for a morph that really has bottomed out by selling a pin for 75 and having contact to the next owner, when the alternative is to dump it to a wholesaler for 30, who then trucks it across the nation, and it ends up as an underweight BP in poor condition in some big chain where someone you will never meet picks it up for 150 or something. Because it looked so different from all other BPs the store had, and someone needed to buy it to give it a better home, poor underfed thing.

I have sold wholesale to get rid of my spiders and pastels. But I was picky about who I sold to, all private dealers that I know personally. I would neither sell on the open market at $75, nor give it to a dealer when I know it's going to end up in a petco.


I dont think dumping pearls in front of pigs by injecting morphs into the mainstream pet trade is the solution.

100% agree


about the specific morph: lets face it, the times when a pinstripe female, let alone a pinstripe male, was an animal desireable for breeding are long gone. its a pet, or for hobby breeders that are not in for the money. prices for lemonblast, bees, jigsaw, super pastel, or firefly are low enough, these prices are already in the lower 3 digits.

fair enough.

oh, ok, if you sell DIRECTLY to pet stores in your area where you know they will take good care of the animals, thats a different story.


when i hear wholesale, i think: shipments of maybe 500-2000 hatchlings at a time from Africa, to then be distributed to big chains, with prices per hatchling down at 7 dollars in Africa, then 30 dollars wholesale, then maybe another trader/distributor inbetween, and off to the big chain stores they go. Thats the system i do not like. Thats the wal mart model, a truckload of this, two truckloads of that, its not good for animals but going on with animals.

for me, a producer selling directly to a store isnt really wholesale anymore :) Wholesale is the stuff between the producer and the stores. Im all for selling directly to stores, if it is possible. It will even contribute to cutting down the big chains and cutting down the 500+ units at a time wholesalers.

The real wholesalers, im fine with them supplying thermostats and tubs and bedding, but when these people deal with live animals, things get nasty. You get headlines like "1000 juvenile bearded dragons ceised at airport XY in horrendous conditions, local reptile sanctuary overwhelmed".

About undercutting prices, i would worry about that when it comes to high-end morphs that are supposed to come down slowly. Here i would complain when people severely undercut something like lets say leopard or orange dream or GHI or even clown.

But the really basic morphs like pastel, spider, pinstripe, hypo, albino, there is no way to help it, they are pushing towards the price of normals. i see no way to stop it.

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Originally Posted by decensored

There's a difference between wholesaling it, knowing there will be a mark-up at resale, rather than selling female pinstripes at $75 on the open market. Sometimes breeders produce so many animals there's no time to move them all individually and I understand that - but I am hearing from more and more people that they are getting into breeding for next season to undercut everyone in the open market. Almost proud that people may be annoyed by it. It's ridiculous. The demand is out there, I don't understand the need to sell at half market price to public buyers.

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Pins are so far past their prime they really aren't worth much more than wholesale to anyone. Except to those individuals that just really like the pins appearance and, they will gladly pay more for a pin that suits what in their mind is the "ideal" snake. That is where the quality over quantity model comes in.
In a few years we will see this same thread play out with Banana/Coral Glow. Wait we already have, over them hitting the $3-4K range. It is simple supply and demand. Every snake you sell reduces demand, every snake someone else sells reduces demand.
A snake cartel or quota system is unworkable so, we all had best get used to riding out the ups and downs and just make the best snakes we are capable of.

When I first came here, I didn't understand why people didn't talk about prices more. But now I get it. It's great if you can get an awesome morph at an awesome price, but at the same time, you advertising that price may make the people reading it believe that spending any more than that is a rip off, which isn't the case, you just got lucky. And there are plenty of breeders here that don't want people mentioning what they got an animal for (lowball, wholesale etc), just because it does devalue their animals (which may be of higher quality, but the untrained eye only sees a morph as a morph). Yes sometimes you get a great deal, and $75 for a female pin is a great deal, but I don't think you should get it, because I don't think you appreciate BPs. I typically see female pins for around $200-$250 here.

Hey, I just had a thought, since you aren't buying it, and it's a breeder you respect, why not drum up a little business for him and post a link to the snake so maybe someone here can get it.