Low white or Ringer?

Its a low white. Visual Pieds don't really have ringers. They are high, medium, or low whites. Het Pieds or other morphs have ringers.

My fire yellowbelly has a tiny little ringer on her neck.


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Originally Posted by satomi325

Its a low white. Visual Pieds don't really have ringers. They are high, medium, or low whites. Het Pieds or other morphs have ringers.

My fire yellowbelly has a tiny little ringer on her neck.


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Could my super pastel het pied have a ringer simply because he's het pied? Or can random morphs have them? And I know 100% that he's het pied.

Just look at the pattern. A 'ringer' will have a normal looking pattern with white patches extending up the sides down near the cloaca, the best examples of ringers have a complete circle around the body (which is where they get the name from) This was often said to be a marker for het pieds along with the rails on the belly, however I've seen ringers in normals as well. Your snake has the pied pattern as well as the white patches, sure looks like a low white pied to me.

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Originally Posted by PiedPeddler

In my opinion, he must be bred to a few visuals to prove him out. I believe he is a true Paradox Pied. He has both Pied pattern and normal pattern on his body. Where the pattern is normal, he has het Pied belly markers, where it is Pied, he has a Pied belly. We produced him in 2010 and sold him cheap and with full disclosure because I wasn't willing to risk our reputation by selling him as a Pied. Here is a link to our clutch records that shows him: http://piedpeddler.com/page2.php?vie...ory=7&image=70

Maybe somebody who knows more about Pieds than me can guarantee he is a Pied by looking at him. I have never been willing to do that. He is now old enough to have been bred several times in order to determine for sure if he is a Pied.

Paul

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Who did you sell him to?because the guy I got him from said he was low white and didnt say anything about being a paradox pied.What exactly does Paradox pied mean anyways?He also sold him to me as a 2011 but that snake in the picture sure looks like him.

Definitely the same snake. Match up the markings

We produced a low white pied female last summer. Your snake is def a low white pied.

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Originally Posted by MootWorm

Definitely the same snake. Match up the markings

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I agree its the same snake.I mated them up when I first saw it.PiedPeddler Has an amazing memory lol

A paradox ball python is one that shows 2 different genetic appearances at once. For example, a paradox Albino will have part of its body Albino and part of its body normal.
A paradox expression in a simple recessive creates a dilemma for a breeder. This dilemma will probably make more sense if I stick with the Albino example. Suppose someone produces a male paradox Albino with 3/4 of his body looking like an Albino and 1/4 of his body looking normal. That’s neat, right? What happens if you breed him to a normal or a het Albino? Could anybody guarantee that all his offspring will be hets? How would you know if every one of his sperm are carrying 2 copies of the Albino gene in order to share one with his mate to produce hets? If part of the animal’s appearance looks normal (missing both copies of the Albino gene), isn’t there a good chance that some of his sperm are missing both copies of those genes as well?
To me, that is the dilemma that this snake presents. Although it is not overwhelmingly obvious in the pictures in this thread, if the OP looks at this snake, he will see 2 areas of normal pattern that wrap fully around the snake. In and adjacent to those areas, there is also wacky checkerboarding near the belly that you see in ringers, as well as an indication of het Pied belly markers.
I’ll send a private message regarding who purchased him locally here in AZ. I would guess the snake has changed hands a few times since then, especially his hatch date is now off by a year. As you have seen here, most people believe he is a Pied because they quickly recognize the obvious Pied attributes, and don’t even notice the paradox areas of normal pattern he has. If the snake were positioned differently, it would be easier to see. Regardless, it is no surprise the person you got him from did not describe him as paradox.
Paul

Very interesting, PiedPeddler. And right on the money. I didn't even notice the normal pattern. I'm glad you remembered this snake and chimed in, I'm sure the OP is as well.

for sure PIED