Nuclear?

Sorry, I'm planning on putting a firefly to a pastel lesser. Had it stuck in my head. What I meant was are the results of that the same as with a butter and a firefly. Meaning, as far as terminology

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Originally Posted by coreydelong

The Lesser Clown is referred to as a King Clown- completely different than a Butter Clown.

IMHO Butter and Lesser are not the same.

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Allowing for the usual variations with the Lesser/Butter and Clown genes, I don't see any difference. The eye's look to be a different color, but other than that...:confusd:

Lesser Clown

http://www.whsreptiles.com/wp/wp-con...sser-Clown.jpg


Butter Clown

http://ballpython.ca/images/morphs/c...tter-clown.jpg

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Originally Posted by sho220

Allowing for the usual variations with the Lesser/Butter and Clown genes, I don't see any difference. The eye's look to be a different color, but other than that...:confusd:

Lesser Clown

http://www.whsreptiles.com/wp/wp-con...sser-Clown.jpg


Butter Clown

http://ballpython.ca/images/morphs/c...tter-clown.jpg

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Quite a bit more of a difference if you look at all the examples on WOBP's.

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Originally Posted by coreydelong

Quite a bit more of a difference if you look at all the examples on WOBP's.

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I did look through the rest of the pics there, as well as a google search, and there's just so much variation I don't see how you could say they're different. You can pull up pics of just Lesser Clowns and there's all kinds of variations...same with Butter Clowns. I just don't see how you can definitively say one way or the other...

From what I have seen butters tend to be a lighter yellow, that brightens with age...lessers tend to darken with age. Which is the main reason I think butter and fire in a combo work well together as fires get nicer with age also.

As for patterns they are inbetween, but I feel butters are a bit more melt-y if that helps. I've seen pretty outstanding blushing on both and almost none on both.

Butter = Lesser.

Same mutation, different lineage.
Any difference in the two is due to natural variation. Not because they are different morphs. Like how Citrus pastels are known for their great color compared to the more blushed out but less yellow Graziani pastels. Both can look rather different, but still pastels in the end. Same thing with lesser butter.

There are light, dark, blushed, non blushed, busy, reduced, more yellow, more cream, etc etc examples of both lesser and butter. If there's a butter that looks a certain way, there is a lesser out there that is the same. And vice versa.

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Originally Posted by satomi325

Butter = Lesser.

Same mutation, different lineage.
Any difference in the two is due to natural variation. Not because they are different morphs. Like how Citrus pastels are known for their great color compared to the more blushed out but less yellow Graziani pastels. Both can look rather different, but still pastels in the end. Same thing with lesser butter.

There are light, dark, blushed, non blushed, busy, reduced, more yellow, more cream, etc etc examples of both lesser and butter. If there's a butter that looks a certain way, there is a lesser out there that is the same. And vice versa.

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Agree 100%...

I was hoping this wouldn't turn into a butter versus lesser post. I was hoping that someone would clear up the terminology issue for me. When butter is mixed with fire it's nuclear. Do you refer to lesser mixed with fire the same or does it just lack a term? Also, has anyone produced a lesser/fire/super pastel? It sounds as though it just doesn't have a term. Whether you believe they are the same or not, I do believe there are differences. When I say this I'm using the high end examples of the gene. Most high end pastel lessers have a different look to me than most high end butters. When you get into sub par specimens I think the differences are less notable/non existent.

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Dudes, fire, butter, pastel(super or not) is a Butterfly or a super Butterfly.

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Originally Posted by scooter11

I do believe there are differences. When I say this I'm using the high end examples of the gene. Most high end pastel lessers have a different look to me than most high end butters. When you get into sub par specimens I think the differences are less notable/non existent.

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So you just want to pic certain examples of a morph instead of all examples. Do you think the traits of the other parent come into play at all?