Het clown markers

which kinda proves my point. There would be no 50% hets! Ud be able to see em.....

I've seen "markers" for different recessives but none that are consistent. Just odd markings on a normal pattern, but even 100% normals regularly have odd markings. I couldn't be further from an expert but i don't really buy into the het markings things.

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Yea im not too convinced either. If there were real markers then breeders should be able to identify hets and sells them as hets and not posshets.

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Originally Posted by BrianB801

I've seen "markers" for different recessives but none that are consistent. Just odd markings on a normal pattern, but even 100% normals regularly have odd markings. I couldn't be further from an expert but i don't really buy into the het markings things.

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I think there is something to it, especially with the pied tramlines being so widely documented. If you breed het pied to normal, i think its fair to say that statistically the offspring with the tramlines have more than the 50% chance of proving out they should have. However, thats not to say that offspring without tramlines wont prove out or have less chance of proving out. Only some hets have markers, others look perfectly normal.

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Originally Posted by dprballs

yes but its (badly)flawed. Not all het pieds have tramlines, not all het clowns look any different.

Are you suggesting you ciould accurately pick the hets from a het to normal pairing?? Ive done plenty of reading. Some hets look mad, some dont!

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I'm hardly talking about track lines on pied bellies. This shows me you clearly don't know what I'm talking about when I say Het Pied changes morph phenotype.(example, pewter Het Pieds)

And like I said before, there are good and bad examples of these 'Het' just like any other visual morph. A crappy yellowbelly or fire can look like a normal. A quality fire or YB looks nothing like a normal. Same thing here.

Yes, I've had a pretty good track record picking out hets from their regular siblings. The hets look different and know many who have proven out PH. Many breeders know which are actual hets from possible hets, but cannot label them as such due to the parental pair. If I hatched out 50% Hets, its unethical to label them 100% even if I knew they would prove out. I would however, let the buyer know.

Keep looking at examples, you'll develop an eye for them. Just like how people can pick out specters, specials, whatever from the normals.

Look for Mike41793's pied thread. Its the perfect read for you. With visual proof and examples for Het Clown and Pieds.

Keep an open mind. When a 'Het' has the ability to change phenotype visually, can you really call that recessive?

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My cinny ph pied has no track lines along her belly but i'm willing to bet her whole first clutch that she'll prove out. ;)

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

My cinny ph pied has no track lines along her belly but i'm willing to bet her whole first clutch that she'll prove out. ;)

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Post her up! I know she'll prove out for sure too. No doubt about it.

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Originally Posted by satomi325

I'm hardly talking about track lines on pied bellies. This shows me you clearly don't know what I'm talking about when I say Het Pied changes morph phenotype.(example, pewter Het Pieds)

And like I said before, there are good and bad examples of these 'Het' just like any other visual morph. A crappy yellowbelly or fire can look like a normal. A quality fire or YB looks nothing like a normal. Same thing here.

Yes, I've had a pretty good track record picking out hets from their regular siblings. The hets look different and know many who have proven out PH. Many breeders know which are actual hets from possible hets, but cannot label them as such due to the parental pair. If I hatched out 50% Hets, its unethical to label them 100% even if I knew they would prove out. I would however, let the buyer know.

Keep looking at examples, you'll develop an eye for them. Just like how people can pick out specters, specials, whatever from the normals.

Look for Mike41793's pied thread. Its the perfect read for you. With visual proof and examples for Het Clown and Pieds.

Keep an open mind. When a 'Het' has the ability to change phenotype visually, can you really call that recessive?

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Im sorry i got the wrong end of the stick..i think i know what your referring to - do pieds somehow look lighter the morph hets?? I believe i have read about what your referring to im just not that up the Pieds. Would i be right in saying that the patterned parts of the homo pied also display differences than the normal morph would??

I will search out Mikes thread. Thanks for the tip :)

My point was that it doesnt happen all the time, but your counter that bad fires and vanillas look just like normals is right!

Sorry if i frustrated u :rolleye2:

If anyone has a link to Mike41793s pied thread i would be grateful!! He has a lotta posts...ive tried a google site search etc. no joy though!

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Originally Posted by FireStorm

Here's a pic of our Mojave 100% Het Clown. He looks pretty different from our Mojaves that are not hets.http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/06/23/ejamyvym.jpg

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Wouldn't common sense tell you to post pics side by side,so people could see the difference?