Ivermectin?

Or you could use cedar bedding and for go the PAM as the toxic part of cedar and Pam are the same root, phenol.


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Originally Posted by Foschi Exotic Serpents

Pine is not toxic... It's cedar that causes issues. Besides, you'd be hard pressed to find any pine bedding that isn't kiln dried as long as it isn't an outdoor mulch mixture.

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Pine causes respiratory issues in rats, I did a lot of research. Also ALL pine I can buy in pet stores is air dried, says right on the bag.

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OK Question. So he is treating the rats themselves with Ivermectin. What about the bedding? Won't you have to treat the bedding to avoid a re infestation? Did I hear about someone using the lice spray from the drugstore?

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I treated the rats every Sunday for three weeks, I froze all bedding, Changed bedding twice a week with bleach cleaning every time, so far so good. When I would put a rat in the freezer they yo could see the lice leave the body, that is the only way I knew they were there. Now I don't see anything and my rats seem to be much calmer. Also no dust on the fur (eggs) so i think for the most part I have gotten rid of the lice.

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Pine causes respiratory issues in rats, I did a lot of research. Also ALL pine I can buy in pet stores is air dried, says right on the bag.

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Plain pine is toxic. Kiln dried pine is safe.


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Originally Posted by satomi325

Plain pine is toxic. Kiln dried pine is safe.


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yes I know, I am using kiln dried. I was replying to someone saying it would be hard to get pine that is not kiln dried. All the pine in pet shops are air dried.

Air dried is NOT kiln dried. Kiln dried is baked effectivly air drying is just aged naturally and the phenols are not cooked off.

I'd be careful about using Ivermectin like that without some way to measure it more precisely...the "theraputic range" (the difference between effective and toxic) for ivermectin is rather thin. That is, it doesn't take much more from the real dose to cause ivermectin poisoning. Also, horse strength worming paste is sometimes 100x more concentrated than even the canine strength. This means that even a small discrepancy in the amount given can administer a radically different amount of the active ingredient (in this case Ivermectin)

I use injectible ivermectin for my mice; a simple subcutaneous injection under the skin at the back of the neck. I pick up insulin syringes for 6-8 bucks a pack, and just use that. This allows me to more readily control the concentration.


Don't mean to sound like an encyclopedia...I just spent the past 16 weeks having this drilled into me in Pharmacology class for my Vet Tech program lol

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Originally Posted by Mephibosheth1

I'd be careful about using Ivermectin like that without some way to measure it more precisely...the "theraputic range" (the difference between effective and toxic) for ivermectin is rather thin. That is, it doesn't take much more from the real dose to cause ivermectin poisoning. Also, horse strength worming paste is sometimes 100x more concentrated than even the canine strength. This means that even a small discrepancy in the amount given can administer a radically different amount of the active ingredient (in this case Ivermectin)

I use injectible ivermectin for my mice; a simple subcutaneous injection under the skin at the back of the neck. I pick up insulin syringes for 6-8 bucks a pack, and just use that. This allows me to more readily control the concentration.


Don't mean to sound like an encyclopedia...I just spent the past 16 weeks having this drilled into me in Pharmacology class for my Vet Tech program lol

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Horse paste is only around 2% ivermectin. Hardly concentrated. Plus the dose ratio to give to a horse is substantially larger than the amount given to a rat.
I have a specific dose if anyone is really that interested, but eyeballing a rice grain size is fine and safe to give rats. I'm not saying your method is wrong either. Its not because I do the same time to time. But the horse paste isn't wrong either if done correctly

This is coming from someone who works in a medical research laboratory with lab rodents daily.

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Appreciate the extra info; learn something new all the time in veterinary medicine