lemon blast granite female

thanks. I am about to post much better pics :) Totally geeking out now.

She is very nice looking for a blast. Not much browning out at all! I just don't see any granite in her. If you bought her with granite in her, then there should be granite in her...

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

. If you bought her with granite in her, then there should be granite in her...

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Agreed.
I would contact the seller and get a partial refund or something. Or write on the BOI.

First she is a good looking LemonBlast, but I don't see Granite in her either.

However, with the situation you just went thru with your other purchase from someone that only had a couple inquires and a few Good Guy posts on the BOI. And you making the statement that you won't buy from someone that doesn't have several Good Guy BOI threads again. Why on Earth would you purchase an animal from Fred Kick???:confusd:
He has one of the worst reputations in this business!!!
I hope you don't take this as me being a jerk or coming off as an :cens0r:, but the whole situation doesn't make sense to me.

Cool looking LB.


I agree on the Fred Kick thing, you were warned in a previous thread by several folks. Also, I do believe the Kicks have the worst BOI reputation I have ever seen.

Reputation is huge in this hobby, and I will order online from a reputable breeder 1000 miles away any day before even walking just down the street to buy from someone with a terrible rep regardless of what cool animals they may have.

Yea i thought the same thing C&H lol

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Originally Posted by jinx667

Cool looking LB.


I agree on the Fred Kick thing, you were warned in a previous thread by several folks. Also, I do believe the Kicks have the worst BOI reputation I have ever seen.

Reputation is huge in this hobby, and I will order online from a reputable breeder 1000 miles away any day before even walking just down the street to buy from someone with a terrible rep regardless of what cool animals they may have.

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Nice lb though, but like others say I don't see any granite

I went to his shop, and had the snake in my hands. The last difficulty was due to shipping issues. What I am determining now, is if I overpaid for the lemon blast. The ones that I see on KS are in the $350-500 range, and some do not include shipping. I will explain later in this post why I do not feel that I overpaid, since some may say that I got jipped for not spending closer to 3 or 400 for it. I have really been bitten/shy by the whole delayed-shipping-refund ordeal.

The first issue involved a snake that I paid for in two installments; the first one being 04/13; the final one being last saturday.) I will recap for anyone who did not read that thread; the seller had a death in the family (per seller) and offered a refund because he would not be able to ship when agreed. I accepted the refund offer. Then the seller texted me saying that he overspent and tapped into the funds I had given and could not afford a full refund. I agreed to wait until Wednesday (which would be today) and seller agreed too. Then seller said that due to a clause in his website (which was Not stated on his Kingsnake ad that I replied to) that he would not refund me because he would not have shipped the snake anyway due to low temperatures. I said that this was unacceptable because I just wanted the refund that he had already offered. I filed a paypal request to have the $ refunded for both transactions to cover my butt, since I have heard that it could jeopardize any future refund through PP if the deal went out 20 days from the original payment date (13th, which it feasably could; the seller made no claim to me at the negotiations that he could not ship due to temperature) and last night I came home to a refund in my paypal of the full price that I had paid him.

I did not use funds from that refund, or from my bank or credit card for that matter, to pay for this lemon blast in person; it was cash from my husband, who signed a contract with me to buy a motorcycle yesterday, and used a Polaris charge card to pay for the deposit rather than cash, which left $ in his pocket, which he wanted to use with me to buy me a snake, since this whole ordeal has been upsetting to me. I have Never had troubles with paypal and we are a verified business user of it; we own a brick-and-mortar tattoo shop, and are not shady, weird, shifty fly-by-nighters in any way. I just wanted the refund promised to me. I wanted a snake, and bought one in person, and do not see why anyone would have any negative feelings toward me.

At the end of the day, I have to determine whether or not I am happy about the LB purchase price. I will explain my concern for granite issue now. When I looked at the snake yesterday, the pinny lines in it did appear granitey, to me. I would consider myself a novice in IDing morphs; I refer to the OWALR morph calculator constantly. The offered price (by a female salesperson; Kick is out of commission for surgery, I was told) was $600 by the sales associate; I countered $500, which was accepted. Did I see the snake as a granite LB, as it was told to me to be, and which is claimed on the receipt? I did, because of the images of granite and the spotting in the snake's pattern, especially in its back. Am I a bit nonplussed now that everyone says that it is not granite? Yes, to be honest. I am not sure what I can do now besides eat crow on the identification issue. Kick does not offer refunds on live animals. I could go in when he returns and verbally discuss the snake's ID with him, and the fact that it seems dubious to other people and, now, to me.. I will be either doing that, or emailing if I cannot get a definite time when he would be there to talk to.

Complicating my issues now is the fact that the $500 is really not that much more than I could have spent online through a private seller, once shipping was added. Some LBs on KS now are in the $400-plus-shipping bracket.. that'd be $460.. so, was it worth it to me to pay about $40 more for the snake, when I factor in the fact that I did not have to worry about shipping or buying from a seller that was not widely known, like the one I dealt with in the shipping-issue was.. was it worth it? This is something that I will have to think over, and look into in my possible decision to see about a refund of some kind.

It could be disliked that I supported him by buying the snake. In all honesty, I will look into his past feedback on that, and see just what it is he was accused of. I just wanted to buy a snake in person, because the shipping fiasco really got to me. I have been on a taxidermy forum that has pages, on pages, of horror stories about people getting scammed with a family-member-died story that leads to weeks or months of paypal drama and ultimately, sometimes no refund at all and a vanishing seller. I firmly want it to be known that I am Not accusing that seller of having that up his sleeve; he said that there was a death in the family, I already explained that, and he offered the refund; I just wanted to stand firm and take the refund offered. I don't know the seller of the original snake (not the lemon blast; the snake that I had refund issues with; I do not want there to be confusion of people thinking that Kick was the seller of the refunded snake; it was Serenity Serpents.) He has some good feedback on the BOI, but not much. Kind of like not having any credit history and trying to get a loan; when I had no credit history, I could not get loans.

Personally; I don't know what he would or would not be truthful of. When he very methodically tried denying the refund that he agreed to, my flags shot right up. They raised a little when he said that the money was overspent and that he needed a few days. What's to say another expenditure connected with his troubles would not cause him to spend all of my money and maybe even the money to ship the snake, if I did agree to his rescindency of the refund and said to just ship the snake in a week or two, or three, when our weather warms? Family comes first for everyone, and it could come before a business transaction refund. People do what they need to to take care of vital expenses; I worked in phone collections for 7 years, and I know this. I wanted the refund asap, to prevent anything preventing a future refund.

Again, not saying that I would not have a snake shipped.. but since Kick is local and I was able to walk in and leave with a snake in hand that is definitely at least a lemon blast, I am not disappointed, and not worried about money being out there that could be gone. I will look into Kick more to see just what happened in the past, but I was always told generally that it had to do with dicey hets and shipping issues, so I figured that walking in and buying a snake that was visibly what it was would be fine.

I definitely do not want any shade cast onto myself because of all of this. I am an honest 32-year-old woman who worked for years to get the money to invest into a business; nothing was handed to me. I work fulltime between the business and a parttime job, and I am not a shifty kid (though, being female and young-looking, people often prejudge me of being that.) Take from this what you will; I definitely do plan on bringing up the granite issue with Kick though. He should not be misrepresenting animals.

I edited the post because my first draft stated that I could have been happy with the snake. I thought more as I posted, and do not wish it to be implied in print that I am happy about a snake being misrepresented. I have a copy of the receipt that states that the snake is a female lemon blast granite. On her feeding chart (which lists 13 feeding dates) it states that she is a female lemon blast reduced pattern granite. I have both of these docs sitting right in front of me, and plan on keeping them of course. I am not going to particularly ask for advice on how to go from here. With no real info on a price for a lemon blast granite (one site, mightymorphs dot com, states that the seller does not even know what to price a male YBG at, since there are none comparable found, and I see none on Kingsnake.com.. if anyone has ideas of what a LBG would be priced, I would be eager to know. At any rate, no one should be mislabeling snakes, and if that is what was done here, I am not happy about that.

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Originally Posted by interloc

I was thinking the same thing.

Problem with the granite is there are about a million lines of it and all are different. Some of them are dominant, some are codom, and some are recessive. It's not a morph that I trust the genetics of.

Op. Nice snake! I just don't understand/trust the whole granite thing.

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I ...think that I have it down. You will all have to give me a wide berth for error, since I am not a pro on genetics..

But I am thinking that, like a granite-appearing normal.. the granite would have to be proven to be official. Kind of like "look, my snake is a morph!" because someone bought it at Petco and it has some granite-like markings. So, the snake, even if it did look granitey, would still have no claim to actually Being a granite, since it was not proven out. Just like the "reduced" description. These are descriptive, not necessarily indicating that this snake would produce granite or reduced offspring. I am still not too happy at the granite description, because everyone has made me see where it is not necessarily there in my snake. So you either have watched me learn a lesson in descriptive (or re-learn; these were some facts that I knew about years ago on the forum, but am re-learning after years out of the hobby) or I am appearing less intelligent than I was in the first place.