Is Nix necessary?

x2 about the paper towels as a substrate. Plain white ones will really allow you to see the mites better.
I never really saw the need for reptile relief, with doing the baths.

And yes; PAmite should always be used only as directed. I would never, ever spray it onto a snake.

Yes make sure you follow all the directions. The ones that keep you safe as well! Only in a well ventilated space, don't get it on your skin or cloths. Make sure pets (cats especially) and children are not around during or after application.


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Originally Posted by snakesRkewl

I have treated a number of collections and soap was the last thing I would use on a snake.PAM the area, PAM the tub lightly, PAM the paper towels and that's it.I see no need to use anything beyond that.Reptile relief, soap, oils, all unnecessary things to do to get rid of mites imo.

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Don't know what happened to my reply. Anyway, What SnakeRkewl wrote IS the instructions for PAM. I didn't see anyone suggesting an off label use.

What is wrong with using Dawn? (directed at a past post.) I never had any troubles with it. I see nothing wrong with a Dawn bath.. I have done this when snakes had messy bowel movements all over their cages, as well. Don't see the danger, or the need for any snake-oil treatments like Reptile Relief on a snake.

Here are a few respectful breeders and websites who advise for the Dawn treatment. This is not something that I am just making up. I always did this while removing the snake to treat the enclosure with Provent-A-Mite. It is satisfying to see the dead mites floating in the water. The water forces them out of the snake's skin, whereas a topical spray could possibly miss some of the mites, too.

http://www.summitreptiles.com/id109.html

http://www.repticzone.com/forums/Boa...s/2148610.html

http://www.allboas.com/mites.php

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Don't know what happened to my reply. Anyway, What SnakeRkewl wrote IS the instructions for PAM. I didn't see anyone suggesting an off label use.

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The directions for using nix or whatever head lice brand you use are the same.

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What is wrong with using Dawn? (directed at a past post.) I never had any troubles with it.

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It doesn't improve your chances of the mites dying, treat properly,
put snake into treated tub/enclosure and let the treatment work, that is all that you need to do.

I didn't say it would harm them in any way, but I do disagree with anything put on the snake like oils, soaps, reptile relief, etc because it is unnecessary.

Okay; you do it your way. If I should ever have the misfortune of mites again, I will do it my way.

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Don't know what happened to my reply. Anyway, What SnakeRkewl wrote IS the instructions for PAM. I didn't see anyone suggesting an off label use.

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From the videos people post and the written descriptions few seem to use it as directed. Avoid skin contact and contact with clothes. Tyvek suit? Gloves at least. "Vacate rooms after treatment and ventilate before reoccupying." From the EPA and label, exhaust fans? Open windows? Usual recommendations is 30-45 min how many do this? Remove all animals from vapor area, what 20 feet more if there is a fan. These things are on the label few speak of removing every animal from a snake room and venting the space after used. Gloves use? I hate the oh it is EPA approved so it is safe attitude that exists. I have watched a chemical product go from it is safe, to use with caution, to wear safety gear, to professional use only, to restricted use and then full banned. Pam is in the restricted heading to a full ban and still it is being treated like it is the baking product that shares its acronym.


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What are you talking about? I don't even know what you are trying to say. The active ingredient in PAM is the same as in NIX, the shampoo for lice that mothers put on their small children's heads to treat lice. It's been used for decades and continues to be what doctors recommend for lice. To listen to you if's mustard gas or ricin or something. What would you have everyone do use olive oil? The Dawn soap (which is pretty much the same as Reptile relief by the way, they both smother the mites without chemicals) and olive oil treatments are fine to treat the mites on the snake, but if used alone you will never get rid of the mites. Cleaning with bleach does absolutely nothing to get rid of the mites either. The way snakesRkewl wrote is EXACTLY the directions from the manufacturer and that's the way everybody here has said to use it.

Also, you are right that it has sickened and killed some snakes. Every case I've heard of though was from people spraying PAM on a cloth and wiping down their snake or they sprayed the cage and immediately put the snake back in. I've not heard of it harming a snake when used as directed. I think some people think the PAM on a cloth thing is safe because PAM was sprayed directly on Sulcata and Leopard tortoise imports to rid them of the Heartwater tick. Just because it's safe to put on a tortoise doesn't mean it's safe to put directly on a snake.