Meat-eater against Ball Python

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Originally Posted by Missvan

We were all having a discussion the other night and she told me that she didn't like the idea even though she eats meat. She labeled herself as a "guilty meat-eater," where she feels guilty that she eats meat, but wouldn't actually do anything to NOT eat meat. This girl is one of the most carnivorous people I have ever met and don't understand how she can justify this mindset. She prides herself on her logical thought processes and hates when people come to irrational conclusions based on their emotions or when people are hypocritical.

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Then call her out on her own illogical choices. She is not operating on logic at all, she is operating solely on `feewings` and not even feelings soundly based in reality.
People like that tend to view an animals `right`to life based on its "cuteness". Bring up insectivorous snakes, if she has no problem with that then she is being hypocritical in the extreme because the planet would not be a whole lot different without rats but, it would be drastically altered by the absence of insects.........

That or watch "The Lion King" with her and highlight the "Circle of Life" part:zerb:

I don't know, even if some how I convinced myself that it's not right or something the fact that the animals would be slaughtered anyway to create the supply for the demand would convince (again) otherwise and I'd eat meat again.

Can you imagine life without meat? I mean, just say it out loud: I don't need bacon. You can't can you? Everyone needs bacon. And meat.

Yes she's being a complete hypocrite. By her own logic, she thinks it's wrong to eat meat and yet she does, so she had no right to claim that anyone should not feed their pets meat or that they eat meat themselves.

And she is NOT opposed to feeding pets other animals, because she has cats and she feeds the cats other animals. Just because it's packaged up in dry kibble(or wet canned) form, doesn't mean it was never a live breathing animal.

If she managed to bring it up to me, I'd set her straight in a hurry.

But yes, it's between her and him what pets they own and why. But if she said to ME, "you shouldn't feed rats to your snakes", I'd set her on her hiney in a hurry telling her that SHE eats animals and SHE feeds her pets animals as food so she needs to shut it.

I think it's time for a new girlfriend :8:

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Originally Posted by Deborah

I think it's time for a new girlfriend :8:

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Deb with the tough love!

she is retarded and illogical.

she is evil and self centered.

if left to her own ways, she will kill herself with her own poor diet.

the snake is a carinvore, humans are omnivore.

Harry

I have vegan friends. They hate meat because it's their protest against the meat industry and some of their questionable practices.
However, they don't advocate the same for their carnivorous pets. They understand that carnivores need meat to survive.

I can deal with that type of anti-meat person since they're being reasonable. But your friend makes no sense to me. She hates meat, but eats it?! :confusd:
I'm sorry. Unless she goes vegetarian or vegan, I don't think she has the right or credibility to tell her boyfriend that he cannot feed a snake a prey animal. Especially since it needs meat to live. Starving a snake because you don't like animals who eat other animals is animal cruelty.
It won't be her pet anyway. If she doesn't want to watch the snake eat, she could just walk into a different room. :confusd:

That guy should get his snake. And I'm not saying that just because I have snakes. Her argument is just weak and petty.

Agreed!!! :p

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Originally Posted by Missvan

Sorry, let me clarify. She eats meat, yet feels it is wrong for her to eat meat. She also feels it is wrong to feed an animal to another animal. It's confusing and conflicting, because she doesn't want animals to eat other animals, but she understands they have to eat, but at the same time she feels it is wrong. Make sense? So, to hopefully clearly answer your question, she is saying "it is wrong to feed animals to other animals" as well as "I wish other animals didn't have to eat meat." My problem with this ideal is that she continues to eat meat and feeds her cats meat, but feels it is wrong to feed a snake meat.

I suppose my "I would gladly go vegetarian before I expected any of my carnivorous animals to turn into vegetarians, even my dogs (which I believe are technically omnivorous??)!!" was confusing and made it sound like she expected the snake to eat grass, or something. My apologize.

I have no issue with those who do not want to eat meat, and, if you have that believe, I understand if you wouldn't want to see or hear about feeding animals to other animals. I have no problem with people who are scared or grossed out by feeding a snake. BUT, I do not understand someone who says it is bad to feed animals other animals, yet eats meat and feeds her other animals meat.

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Ok so for "I wish other animals didn't have to eat meat." that is fine, she can say things like "I wish, I feel, I like, I dont like" all she wants. In this case she is not talking about any kind of objective value, so who cares, its just an opinion, like "I wish everyone had pink unicorns".

For the "it is wrong to feed animals to other animals". Simply universalize that principle for her like some others have done. She feeds her cat animals, even if they are processed out of sight out of mind. Ask her if it is wrong to feed a cricket or a roach to a gecko. Ask her if it is wrong to feed a human child baby food which contains meat products. Etc.

Even if she says yes to all of the above, she is still a hypocrite because she eats meat, you can point that out gently to her.

I will bet she says it is wrong to feed a bunny carrots or any plant material,
after all bunnies are herbivores.
simply force them to eat meat ..........

Harry