What are they? Colour help please!

So what would that means the parents are if she got a Himi and albino? How could she prove out the himi? With Siamese? Someone has to be het Siamese in there.

Sorry, not really up to date on the Himi genetics. It's one copy of Siamese and one copy of Albino, so could that mean one parent is het Siamese and the other is not?

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Originally Posted by Sita

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Looks like a Himalayan, or very very poor quality Siamese.

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Looks mink.

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Two mink, the lighter one looks like beige, or possibly a beige combined with another color (maybe mink, since it has mink littermates).

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Originally Posted by aldebono

So what would that means the parents are if she got a Himi and albino? How could she prove out the himi? With Siamese? Someone has to be het Siamese in there.

Sorry, not really up to date on the Himi genetics. It's one copy of Siamese and one copy of Albino, so could that mean one parent is het Siamese and the other is not?

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Just re-read your first post. So you know who the parents are to the litter with the weird baby, and both are colored, right?
That being the case, it isn't genetically possible to get both albino and Himalayan (or even Siamese) in the same litter. If both parents are colored, you CAN get albino OR Siamese OR Himalayan, but you can't get both or all three in the same litter.

That being said, if both parents are indeed colored, I would say one carries Siamese, one carries albino, and all the "albino" babies are in fact Himalayans who have not yet started changing color, and this one baby is also Himalayan. Since they have white markings, that's going to screw up the color too, because they'll be missing some of their points.


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In order to get both albino and Himalayan in the same litter from a colored mom, mom has to carry albino and the dad has to be Himalayan OR there are multiple dads to this litter.

Mom = C/c
Dad = ch/c

Result: C/c (colored carrying albino), C/ch (colored carrying Siamese), ch/c (Himalayan), c/c (albino)

If there are multiple dads to this litter, that creates multiple possibilities to account for this litter.

The dad is the dumbo in the pictures, and mom is a black berkshire. There is absolutely no possibility of multiple dads. The longer I think about it, the more I think I might have been mistaken about this specific litter having albinos also. I remember it being mostly black berks, with a few black hooded/barebacks, and this guy. For whatever reason, I didn't write down exactly what she had this time, but I know that mom must carry albino, since she's had albinos before (from a different dad), and I'm positive those ones were regular albino.

So mom must be C/c, and dad is C/ch? Which would indeed make the boy Himalayan (ch/c)? Makes me wish this boy was a girl so I could cross back to dad! :)

Wow it's a pain to try to take pics of a bunch at once! :D These are my best efforts. It's frustrating because one lighting will make a certain colour look more true than a different lighting. The 4th one shows the blue one the best (leftmost rat), since it's got the most natural light, but super blurry. I tried to adjust the colour on the pics to match it closer to real life. Here's the rundown on who's in the pictures:

1: Mom - black berkshire
2: black and white bareback
3: blue
4: himalayan
5: albino
6: blue agouti
7: triple dilute hooded
8: chocolate/cocoa

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...s/DSC03028.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...s/DSC03025.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...s/DSC03024.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...s/DSC03020.jpg

What's the deal with mink? I don't really understand that colour at all, since all the pics I see online just look like a brown rat, but not as rich as the cocoa/chocolate ones. Can you get blue and mink in the same litter?

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Originally Posted by Sita

Wow it's a pain to try to take pics of a bunch at once! :D These are my best efforts. It's frustrating because one lighting will make a certain colour look more true than a different lighting. The 4th one shows the blue one the best (leftmost rat), since it's got the most natural light, but super blurry. I tried to adjust the colour on the pics to match it closer to real life. Here's the rundown on who's in the pictures:

1: Mom - black berkshire
2: black and white bareback
3: blue
4: himalayan
5: albino
6: blue agouti
7: triple dilute hooded
8: chocolate/cocoa


What's the deal with mink? I don't really understand that colour at all, since all the pics I see online just look like a brown rat, but not as rich as the cocoa/chocolate ones. Can you get blue and mink in the same litter?

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3 kind of looks like a Russian Blue in the first picture. But a mink in the second.
I still think 6 is a mink.

Minks have a purple-ish brown coloration.

You can get blue and mink in the same litter.

Here's one of my blue/mink/lilac litters:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v9...64407332_o.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v9...s/DSC_0587.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v9...DSC_0689-1.jpg

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As far as triple dilutes go, I believe they are white rats.

The white one is a silver which is a diluted blue, adding the other dilutes makes the rat even whiter I think :confusd:
http://i915.photobucket.com/albums/a...PICT3338-1.jpg

Triple Dilutes can be off-white.
They're not pure white as you can see in the color difference in the OPs rat's markings.
The markings are visible. It's very pale, but still visible.

I have a breeder male and female triple dilute. They're difficult to photograph.
They look like PEWs in photos, but in real life, you can see that they're off-white. Kind of a really washed out sandy color. It's easier to identify if they have a pattern like hooded or variegated. Or if they're next to a true white animal.


According to Fancy Rat

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Triple Dilute

Description:
A Triple Dilute is the expression of three or more recessive genes on a single rat, thus the name. In appearance, they closely resemble a Pink-Eyed White rat, with very pale hair and pink eyes. However, there may be occasional colored hairs, heathering, pale ticking, yellowing, "shadow" markings, or other irregularities with the pristine whiteness of the rat, as it is not a true albino.

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A/- or a/a plus at least 3 other double recessive color genes.

A Triple Dilute is not a distinct and pre-determined genetic combination, and no one truly breeds "for" them. They are usually the consequence of breeding too many recessives in a single bloodline and overdiversifying. Because it is the result of recessive genes washing out the color in the hair rather than albinism truly masking it, they are often not as cleanly white as a true PEW.

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^^^ good info :gj:

3 looks Russian blue to me and 6 looks mink.

When I bred rats, mink was one of the colors I specialized in. It is high variable, from light to dark, rich to dull, grayish to bluish to purplish. Most mink from US lines will have dark ruby eyes (sometimes looks black), while most mink from UK lines will have black eyes. True chocolate is far less common than mink, but seems to be increasing in number recently. It seems true chocolate almost became extinct in the US, but has re-appeared with the importation of Burmese and BES from the UK. I had true chocolates while I was breeding rats. True chocolate is far less variable in color, a warm, rich color similar to that of a dark chocolate candy bar, and they always have black eyes.

Mink and blue are different genes on different loci, and you can certainly get both in the same litter, and even combine the genes. In fact most genes can be produced in the same litter. Albino, Himalayan, and Siamese are on the same locus, so getting those get a little trickier, depending on what the parents are.

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Originally Posted by Sita

Wow it's a pain to try to take pics of a bunch at once! :D These are my best efforts. It's frustrating because one lighting will make a certain colour look more true than a different lighting. The 4th one shows the blue one the best (leftmost rat), since it's got the most natural light, but super blurry. I tried to adjust the colour on the pics to match it closer to real life. Here's the rundown on who's in the pictures:

1: Mom - black berkshire
2: black and white bareback
3: blue
4: himalayan
5: albino
6: blue agouti
7: triple dilute hooded
8: chocolate/cocoa

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...s/DSC03028.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...s/DSC03025.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...s/DSC03024.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...s/DSC03020.jpg

What's the deal with mink? I don't really understand that colour at all, since all the pics I see online just look like a brown rat, but not as rich as the cocoa/chocolate ones. Can you get blue and mink in the same litter?

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